Are you atheist?

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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Nah, atheism feels a lot like being contrarian just for the sake of it.

It isn't exactly a rational position, as its primary contention that 'Gods do not exist', relies upon the assumption that humanity already understands everything that there is to understand about the universe or potentially multiverse. For the record, we aren't even a Type I civilisation on the Kardeshev scale yet and we know almost nothing about the universe.

I'm agnostic since the reality is that we don't know and can't know outside of blind faith whether god(s) or godlike being exist, or whether they don't. Currently searching for a European pagan religion that isn't pozzed.

My parents are Christians and I believe Christian universalism is completely cucked and played a big part in creating the framework that allowed jews to destroy our homelands. Christianity is not a religion for Europeans, that is the problem.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It isn't exactly a rational position, as its primary contention that 'Gods do not exist', relies upon the assumption that humanity already understands everything that there is to understand about the universe or potentially multiverse.

It's the total reverse.

We don't know enough about the universe to assign it to some mythical being that no one has ever met or produced actual evidence of his existence.

If we're going to pretend that god is real because it's written in some ancient books, then we might as well believe in Santa Claus too because there's always cartoons made after him. Or what about all the other gods in history? Zeus? Thor? Horus? Do they all exist, even if they contradict each other?

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That's the point. We don't know enough to say whether the universe was deliberately created or whether it happened purely by accident or what. We don't know what lies beyond the barriers of the rapidly expanding universe. We don't understand the structure of a supposed multiverse if one exists. We don't know if other universes have different physical laws which might allow a godlike being to exist. We don't even understand the why and how of fundamental forces like gravity yet, only their effects. We cannot say whether gods exist, and we cannot say whether they don't with any scientific certainty.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But who is "god" and why exactly is he being credited with the creation of everything? That's the part that is absolutely man made. We're not given any evidence of where this came from, other than from people's imaginations.

I also don't subscribe that without god the other explanation is "an accident". If the origin of life and everything in existence is a result of a math formula or chain reactions, then our natural simulation is behaving the way it should.

For example, a basketball that is idle on the ground is not an accident. Everything from gravity to its internal inertia explains why it doesn't move.

Ideally, me and just about every Atheist in the world would gladly accept the existence of a god if he/she actually revealed himself to us. There would be no reason to deny such a cosmic deity if it really did exist. But given that I can go everyday not worrying about myths like Santa or the Easter Bunny, then god clearly fits the same bill of "he could exist, but I have zero reason to care if we can't actually communicate with him".