Ex-Libertarians, what made you change?

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[–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I suppose it depends on what type of libertarian you are talking about. The more "intellectual" and bourgeois types are as you describe. If you speak to a working class libertarian Baptist from the deep South, however, you will probably encounter something quite different.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Yeah there are the NIMBYism, Get Off My Lawn, I Just Want To Be Left Alone libertarians who are often just white flighting really. And then you have the autistic, gleefully revelling in the worst of the worst demonic ideology types.

[–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You nailed it. A very pessimistic perspective underlies the worldview of even these people - the state cannot be stopped or changed to serve the people, it can only be limited and decentralised, reduced to a deeply hated "small government" instead of a deeply hated "big government", but never redeemed. Professional political conmen of the libertarian persuasion are really shrewd for pushing, popularising and entrenching this ideology, because it can be used to mobilise people to fight other political forces without offering anything in return.

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Because humans are inherently evil by instinct, that's why. We are hardwired to have hope in glorious governments and hierarchies due to our tribal nature, but they never work.

[–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I disagree.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This guy is a perfect representation of the libertarianism you describe at the end. I always say like anarchism it's merely an expression adolescent angst and neuroticism usually coupled with incredibly anti-social personality traits.

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I became "anti-social" after experiencing society for what it really is.

Take the red pill and know the truth, but quite possibly be miserable depending on your situation. I understand why you take the blue pill. Sometimes I wish blue pills worked on me too, because it's hard.

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Of course you hate people with autism. It prevents large parts of social brainwashing from taking place and the person becomes a threat to society's power.

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If anything I'd expect the southern Baptist to be more conservative-minded and the cognitive elites to be more liberal.

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"Cognitive elites" is a very generous description for the human type I was thinking of. Anyway, you get my point.