Ex-Libertarians, what made you change?

pcpmasterrace · 2021-10-31T09:59:30+00:00

Noticing that almost all of the foundational libertarian writers are Jewish.

Vulptex · 2021-10-31T11:22:40+00:00

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Markimus · 2021-10-31T11:08:15+00:00

Libertarianism at it's core is almost the exact opposite of what we want, yet many made the transition to here.

From talking to a lot of these people what I find is that lolberts have been tricked into thinking the policies they advocate for will have the exact opposite effect of what they actually result in.

The smart ones eventually start applying the abstractions to the real world and realise libertarianism is just a jewish trick, the dumb ones (majority of them) just stay as lolberts forever.

Edit: I think that the major issue is that, of the tiny proportion of them that are literate, these people only read lolberts to reinforce their dumb ideas. I think if they read Distributist stuff (which is what libertarians think libertarianism will result in) then they can be brought around to reading other rightists afterwards. But alas, the vast majority of people don't read; especially those dumb enough to become lolberts.

thefirststone · 2021-10-31T00:48:44+00:00

Niggers.

Edit:

Libertarianism at it's core is almost the exact opposite of what we want

I disagree, but I'm not quite drunk enough to elaborate on why. Look, you have to understand that nationalism is not opposed to the ideal of universal... not suffrage, but the idea of rights. If "libertarian" can be reconciled with the idea of a state at all (as in minarchy), then that state itself can be defended from the malicious hordes at our doorstep.

Maybe the leftists are perceptive (not likely) when they lump libertarians in with right-wing extremists, despite their own left-libertarians getting caught in the crossfire. It's the path of self-ownership and self-actualization. And what is a body, if not part of an ancient lineage? Do we have the right to cohabitate private land together or not?

The ethnostate is a proper subset of the libertopia. QED.

casparvoneverec · 2021-10-31T03:58:46+00:00

They never go on the offensive. Their solution to everything ia do nothing

disidentHR · 2021-11-01T08:34:35+00:00

I was never firm libertarian, like I never read any lolbert book (besides The Law by Bastiat). I basically became libertarian just because I witnessed corruption and inefficiency of our healthcare, wasting 50% of my parents' salaries while we barely get anything in return.

There are several things that changed my mind tho.

When I went to university, I couldn't imagine how expensive life would be without all the subsidies we received (I was living in rural area beforehand so I took many things for granted), and I felt extreme sense of gratitude towards all the taxpayers, but also duty to give my best
I noticed libertarianism/AnCap does nothing to preserve free speech and expression
I did some heavy mental gymnastics regarding borders, arguing that you could have strong borders in AnCap society and not let immigrants in
I naively believed in voting with your wallet, shortly coming to realize that unorganized individual boycotts don't do anything at all in regards to preserving traditions and environment (even mass boycotts aren't effective)

What can I say, I was young and stupid (inb4 now you're just stupid xD) and everyone makes mistakes lol

NeoRail · 2021-10-31T13:45:49+00:00

I am not a libertarian, but I think for most of these people libertarianism is a way to assert political and ideological independence from the coastal liberalism of the elites. The appeal is not the actual ideas, it's the sense of autonomy. Libertarian ideology is just a means to an end.

Vulptex · 2021-10-31T01:02:41+00:00

I never made the switch but most conservatives, our former allies and mostly made up of more moderate libertarian-minded people, did.

I know I sound crazy but I think it might be the matrix either dumbing down its AI or replacing formerly real people with AI. Conservatives now act less like actual conservatives and more like liberals think conservatives are. Liberals themselves underwent this same shift long before, probably sometime around the Obama Era. They both act like cartoons at this point. Also remember that all it would take is to alter the key players, to most people politics is little more than tribalism and they will blindly go with whatever their party tells them.

I've seen these "AI takeovers" on a few people in real life too, it's sad. They either become extremely Flanderized or super secretive and refuse to interact with you, even long-time friends, and act nothing like themselves.

If that's not it I have no reasonable explanation. The switch literally happened overnight in May/June 2020 and they now seem to have no memory of changing and think they were always like this. Even though they did a complete 180 on their core values.

You mentioned those who do remember being libertarians, I would guess they probably started going by their human instincts but what do I know. You'll have to ask them.

Ethnocrat · 2021-10-31T04:00:59+00:00

I never understood why libertarians even exist in the first place. Then again, you hardly see them here on the continent.

TheWorldToCome · 2021-11-01T00:13:43+00:00

I still think within a white society a more hands off approach to government is best,, however in our current world I am a white nationalist out of self defense. If we do not use state power to defend against the blatant genocidal anti white powers at work my quality of life is going to suffer.

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