What do you think of this anti communist argument?

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A disturbing amount of users on this sub are sympathetic or outright supportive of communism. I agree that modern capitalism is a cancerous globalist blight that has lured us on to the path of our destruction, I support reforming capitalism and combining some aspects of socialism or economic populism into this new system.

Alot of users here have to realize that communism as an ideology has been a complete bloody failure from the soviet union to cambodia. Even the "successful" commie like China have had to bend the knee to capitalism in order to function. The ideology is an objective failure.

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[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In modern capitalism, the losses are nationalized and the profits are privatized. Not one banker went to jail or got fired for the 2009 financial collapse. But millions of workers got the shaft. Instead, the bankers and CEOs got fat bonuses and compensation packages.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The workers are the ones who get punished when businesses fail already, it's not a clever point at all. As usual lolberts are braindead.

[–]Salos60000Pragmatic European Nationalism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

How so? Losing their jobs? The owners suffer the same along with crippling debt and legal agreements. You see to think every company is the megacorp, globalist organisations while ignoring medium and small enterprise run by normal people just wanting to make a living. These companies make up the majority and employ the most and losses for them are more severe than simply losing a job.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I don't seem to think anything, you're just fighting yourself because you're a gay retard

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

"if a company has losses, share the debt with the workers"

That already happens. It's called layoffs and hiring illegal third world Mexicans who work for free. But nice try Shekelberg.

[–]Salos60000Pragmatic European Nationalism[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

The average company is not a globalist megacorp, the majority of companies in the country are small or medium sized enterprises who the megacorps using communist tactics try to snuff out.

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Then go after those globalist megacorps, instead of going after the workers.

[–]Salos60000Pragmatic European Nationalism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

How did I go after workers?

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

How did who go after what?

[–]NeoRail 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

How is this an anti-communist argument? Marxist-Leninist states nationalise industry and pay wages, they do not socialise profits.

Soviet Communism wasn't an economic failure at all, by the way. There are good reasons to oppose communism and none of them are economic. It is the shift to liberal capitalism that reduced Russia from the second biggest economy on the planet to an impoverished third rate power.

[–]Salos60000Pragmatic European Nationalism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It address's the utopian "true" communism ideal that leftoids have ingrained into their empty heads.

Yes it was a failure. Russia was set to economically boom anyway with or without communism. Soviet Russia had the horrific famines of the 30s and post war aswell as that it stagnated rapidly and was always behind the US in literally every field. No it wasn't liberal capitalism either it was just the diseased communist carcess finally dying and the country having to shift its ingrained institutions and economics.

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It address's the utopian "true" communism ideal that leftoids have ingrained into their empty heads.

So you are referring to communism proper rather than the "dictatorship of the proletariat", then? Since when are there "companies" and profit sharing mechanisms in communism?

Russia was set to economically boom anyway with or without communism.

So you yourself admit that the Russian economy boomed under communism? You are a very strange man.

Soviet Russia had the horrific famines of the 30s and post war aswell as that it stagnated rapidly and was always behind the US in literally every field.

If wartime famines are enough to discredit an economic system, then there is no such thing as a functional economic system. The Soviet economy stagnated only in the 80s and that was because of bottlenecks related to central planning which would have been overcome if the state had not been dissolved by Gorbachev prior to the development of the necessary technologies. It's also just pure rhetoric to say that the USSR was "behind the US in literally every field". The space race offers us ample enough evidence that this is untrue.

No it wasn't liberal capitalism either it was just the diseased communist carcess finally dying and the country having to shift its ingrained institutions and economics.

There is nothing I can say here because you are plainly wrong. Read up on the transition to capitalism and the effects it had on the economy and living standards.

[–]Salos60000Pragmatic European Nationalism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Both are more or less the same, dictatorship is what communism leads to every single time.

It boomed mainly due to ruthlessness and brutality and definitely not to what it was capable of under capitalism, we had to bail them out during the war.

The Soviet Union wasn't at war in the 30s. The Ukrainian and Kazakh famines were engineered by the state to destroy the nationalist resistance in both regions. Aswell as to mass murder White Christians in Ukraine's case.

It was behind the US objectively in nearly every significant field. There was a book called the grapes of wrath written by an American communist basically about the extreme poor in the US. This book was actually banned in the USSR as it showed the poor under capitalism still get access to basic necessities like food or a car compared to under communism where they had fuck all.

The Russian economy declined due to the new system replacing the horrifically backwards communist system. The country has recovered and is now more prosperous now than any time under communism.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Cope.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You're gay, stupid and fucking boring is what I think.

Another 'hey ganG wat ThiNK bouT memE i find?' post. Mods should just ban you.

[–]Salos60000Pragmatic European Nationalism[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Your actually the one who's breaking the rules though as name calling and insults are at the bottom of the debate pyramid.

[–]sylla94 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

no other form of debate seems to get through to you so of course he's going to take you back to the foundations

[–]Salos60000Pragmatic European Nationalism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Why do you think that?

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

This shitty strawman again. Just because people oppose Jewish globalist neoliberal capitalism doesn't make them communists, most on this sub are about equally as opposed to communism. If you're truly pro-white, you should stop buying into or pushing this kosher capitalism vs. communism false dichotomy, and instead focus on what policies are in the best interests of our people and what policies will improve the wellbeing of our people the most (irregardless of whether these policies may be labelled communism, capitalism or something else).

By the way, you're raising my suspicion of you being the same person as u/Republican58 again, since he literally constantly did the exact thing you're doing right now: Accusing us of being communists, and then spamming shitty, outdated, low-IQ, boomer-tier pro-capitalist and anti-communist memes on our sub. You definitely seem to be a slow learner, given you're still acting the same after having been banned by us so often.

[–]Salos60000Pragmatic European Nationalism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

No I'm not Republican58 although I did follow what he was doing on this sub and found him pretty funny but annoying aswell. I didn't accuse yous of being communists and I don't spam. I'm not a boomer or radically pro capitalist or trump.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why do you post pictures of yourself claiming to be a british actress? What mental illness do you have?

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

He was funny due to his endless stupidity, not because of his sense of humor (which he doesn't have). We laughed at him, not with him.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

Notice the 'yous'?

'Republican58' weirdly enough made the same mistake and said 'yous' constantly. Also a common error by 'ayatollahsiniran' as well.

Pure coincidence.

[–]sylla94 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

how dumb does this shit cunt have to be to not even be capable of acting as if someone else were writing

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The same way of structurally forgetting to use spaces after commas is also suspicious.

[–]Salos60000Pragmatic European Nationalism[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/yous

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (14 children)

Never address me except if spoken to.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

LMAO

[–]Salos60000Pragmatic European Nationalism[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

or what

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

'yous' might have more insults hurled at 'yous'.

Fucking retard.

What is the point? I know who you are. Why don't you take me up on the offer and DM me and tell me why you bother doing this? That would be the first interesting thing you've accomplished in your entire career here under your multiple handles.

[–]la_cues 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

Aw, why do you even bother to throw insults? You have the ability to "win" without that

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Win what? I'm talking to a weirdo on saidit who fakes his own identity to post conservative takes for some reason. There's really no winning or losing either way.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Ok so lets review.

  1. Users Republican58, ayatollasiniran, and salos60000 are the same person.

  2. Ayotollasiniran was the troll from our banned reddit sub who got caught posting pictures of herself (himself) as a british actress and asking if she (he) was pretty.

  3. What mental illness does she (he) have?

[–]Salos60000Pragmatic European Nationalism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So the only piece of evidence you have for this claim is a commonly used word meaning the plural of you. If I was on court with the charge of being these users, do you think that would be hard enough evidence?

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If I was on court with the charge of being these users, do you think that would be hard enough evidence?

No, but this isn't a courtroom, this is saidit. There is no requirement that we prove beyond reasonable doubt that you are the same troll. We can speculate and accuse you based on whatever little evidence we have.

[–]thefirststoneThat's my purse! I don't know you! 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's just counter-sloganeering. Modern leftistism is rife with weaponized sloganeering where they use liberalism as a wedge, like "my body my choice" when autonomy is against their own beliefs.

You can't win a war of spite and sarcasm by aping the ones who hurt you.

[–]Hates__PeachPeach Leftists Hate 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I was just thinking how utterly farcical that "My body, my choice" nonsense sounds in light of the Covax.

They don't seem to believe in personal autonomy except when it serves as a partial excuse for something sinister like justifying degeneracy. "My body, my choice" for abortion; "not your body, our choice" when it comes down to the 'jab'.

This isn't a remark on the Covax itself, but on that particular Leftist double standard. Personal autonomy, far from being a desired end, seems only a means to an end that they can discard whenever they see fit.