Is civilization older than we think?

submitted by EthnocratArcheofuturist from (self.debatealtright)

I've started reading Graham Hancock's work and I'm hooked. I don't buy into all of his ideas, but his central thesis is very convincing. Megalithic sites like Göbekli Tepe really do punch holes into the mainstream archeological view of civilization. Then there are fascinating artifacts like the Piri Reis map, or the increasing geological evidence that a global cataclysm happened during the last Ice Age. All of these data points strengthen Hancock's thesis. I highly recommend his books and online lectures.

By the way, he also mentions the fact that all over the world there are stories of pale-skinned voyagers who bring knowledge to different cultures. Hancock believes these voyagers are the survivors of his lost civilization. What intrigues me is the fact that these voyagers were pale-skinned. Could they've been ancient ancestors of Europeans?

Anyway, as someone with a degree in history I've always been wary of alternative views, but I have to admit he makes a decent case.

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[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Yes. I strongly believe civilization is a lot older then the approved academic departments are willing to admit. In fact the current university system is more about truth suppression instead of dissemination. Governments are actively involved in destroying evidence of the past.

This video is pretty cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5kEzxOb-3c

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I saw that video a couple of days ago. It's fascinating. I never took the story of Atlantis seriously, but I'm beginning to think it might have actually been real.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

These two are also very interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoTkguzRaCU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5pNLznUu7E

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Noah's Ark almost certainly didn't exist, and if it did exist it would have been very different from the Biblical version. It's not in the same category as Atlantis.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

and if it did exist it would have been very different from the Biblical version

Yes I partially agree with this.

Noah's Ark almost certainly didn't exist

Almost all ancient cultures have a flood story. Noah's ark was most like a larder boat put together to ride out catastrophic flooding; flooding that had happened before and before that on a predictable time line. There's a reason why the oldest parts of the world, where all of humanity seems to come from, are all high places. There's a reason Gods in ancient religions are always on the top of mountains.

If you really want to go deep all of our most ancient symbols found all over the world were at one point plasma formations in the sky:

(this video is longer and a little slow but worth the watch)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7EAlTcZFwY

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

All ancient cultures have flood stories because a catastrophic event occurred but the Ark is just a mythical telling of the story.

[–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There's a reason why the oldest parts of the world, where all of humanity seems to come from, are all high places.

Because of the 12,000 year earth catastrophe cycle, and the associated mile+ high 'slosh' from earth's oceans?

"The Greek Gods were real."

The video you linked is long, but he seems to have greatly impressed the commenters.

[–]asterias 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I strongly believe civilization is a lot older then the approved academic departments are willing to admit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timaeus_(dialogue)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critias_(dialogue)

http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/critias.html

[–]outrageousboote 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

"stories of pale-skinned voyagers who bring knowledge to different cultures"

Sounds like some we wuz tier stuff which the right has a bad habit of promoting I would need some serious evidence for them being related to Europeans or present around the world, but then again academia in general has a very orientalist bias, for example many things attributed to the Islamic golden age are Greek or from other cultures, things Europeans "stole" from other cultures were independently invented (like the compass during the Middle Ages for example). Murray's Human Achievement caused a fuss since it didn't fit pro-nonwhite/orientalist narratives. So I wouldn't be surprised if there were some ancient civilizations in Europe predating Sumer etc... Or if civilzation was older in general. But I am not sure about pale-skinned voyagers giving everyone knowledge.

[–]EuropeanAwakening14 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No, and I think stuff like this is fun and I'm big into paranormal things, but it kind of makes us look bad from the race realist angle. We can't argue that we have the science on our side when it comes to race and then parade around this stuff in other than paranormie tier discussions.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What on Earth does this have to do with the paranormal?

[–]IkeConn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sounds like whitey to me.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Lol!

[–]Salos60000Pragmatic European Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What's significant about the Piri Ries map? It was made in 1513 and just details the coastlines of the new world.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It shows Antarctica, which was only discovered in 1820. Not only that, it shows Antarctica as it was during the last Ice Age.

It also shows the Bimini Road above water. Again, the last time that happened was during the last Ice Age.

[–]asterias 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It maps territories that were impossible for Piri Reis to know of, and it's a copy of ancient maps which don't exist anymore.