Immigrants of today are NOT like our ancestors

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[–]raven9 4 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 6 fun -  (18 children)

No the they are not like our ancestors. They don't come here and commit genocide on the indigenous people and then force slaves to do all the work.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

Reality is not netflix

[–]scormac1752[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Based comment and based user flair.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Were the wars against the natives not real? Were the land seizures in europe which forced migrants west not real? Some of the early settlers weren't shite, but the colonies (companies) were horrible.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

"whites genocided every native and then made them into slaves to build everything"
"fake news"
"so whites didnt settle the US?"

lol

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Great debate tactic here, you really answered my questions and brought forth a good conversation. /s

This joke right here. You should've answered my questions seriously. Then, I respond and say I don't get your comment, and you respond with:

"Please provide evidence that whites did this:

They don't come here and commit genocide on the indigenous people and then force slaves to do all the work.

No motte and bailey. No reframing."

Dude, you started this. Own up to it. You didn't answer my questions, made a joke.

That is such a respectable debate tactic, oh yeah. /s

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

If you will disavow raven9s statements and say that they are completely and utterly fake, and that your questions totally weren't trying to defend his comment, but were actually totally unrelated and not connected to my comment saying that his netflix understanding of reality was faulty, then I will answer your questions, but on the high chance that your questions were actually related to the commentchain that you replied to, then I'll refuse to answer your questions and wait for you to provide evidence for this netflix-reality.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

No, you argue like a Jewish college professor, I have no interest in discussing things with you. You had your chance. Don't act so high and mighty when you are the shit-stirrer. I asked questions, you made jokes. Tell me, which is more useful in a "debate" sub?

I like this sub and will continue to frequent it because you guys are insightful. I can't write you off just because you are egotistical forum-dwellers.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

My "joke" was a refutation to what I correctly classified as the goal of your comment. You're just mad at me for not allowing you to reframe the debate and not accepting your premise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy

you argue like a Jewish college professor

Thanks for the compliment. I've been practicing and it seems to have been paying off!

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You practice at being a shmuck? It all makes sense now, you've been indoctrinated.

I asked a question, you responded with a joke. I understand the motte and bailey fallacy, and I don't care if you think that was what I was doing. If you answered, I would've thanked you for your answer, or responded in a noncommittal manner. However, you made a joke, and you think that was refutation. You grasp at straws, and live on a high horse, sir. You may be intelligent, but I don't think this intelligence has done anything for you but embitter your heart and sully your mind.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I don't really get what this comment is, like some sort of cartoonish joke about my views? You can do better.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Please provide evidence that whites did this:

They don't come here and commit genocide on the indigenous people and then force slaves to do all the work.

No motte and bailey. No reframing.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I have no interest in providing evidence to you. I know this is a debate website and that is how you change stubborn peoples minds. However, if you make a joke about my views, you get my big toe, and nothing more. You didn't answer my questions, you made a joke, then expect me to take your whole college-level debate tactics seriously, ha! I have no interest spending any time explaining simple American history to a European, sorry. These wars were well-documented, my forefathers fought in many of them. Don't be a right-wing lemon, they are just as bad as the left-wing ones.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I've heard these antiwhite narratives for several years now and there is one thing in common with all of them: lack of evidence. So yes, forgive me for pointing out that you are not going to provide evidence, only for you to reply that you are not going to provide any evidence. Imagine my shock.

I responded to an antiwhite comment, you then made the classic leftist motte-and-bailey. You're not original. I've literally seen this thousands of times on reddit and I will hold you to it and not allow you to reframe the position.

Please provide evidence that whites did this:

They don't come here and commit genocide on the indigenous people and then force slaves to do all the work.

Of course you can't do that and you know that, which is why you did the motte-and-bailey to defend the antiwhite narrative. And now you play the victim because I called you out for doing that.
So yes, reality is not netflix. If you think it is, then it is on you to prove the above antiwhite narrative- which you can't and which is why you tried to reframe the debate to justify the antiwhite narrative, but I am not allowing you to reframe the debate.
Provide the evidence for this antiwhite netflix narrative or go away in defeat.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You are quoting someone else, dude. I literally asked you questions, and you made a joke. Fuck you. I rarely taste defeat, but if I did, I would tell you, because I am like that. If you could be objective and paid attention to who you are quoting and what I believe, then you'd respond differently. Please, continue to defend yourself from imaginary attacks.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Me: "reality is not netflix"
To which you responded:

Were the wars against the natives not real? Were the land seizures in europe which forced migrants west not real? Some of the early settlers weren't shite, but the colonies (companies) were horrible.

Implying that reality actually is netflix.

Do you agree with me that his antiwhite netflix narrative is absolutely fake and gay?