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[–]CircumsteinRabbi Circumstein 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There is no rainbow that is black, brown and White.

Despite South Africa's ridiculous claims to be 'post-racial' (implying that race is a 'problem' that has been 'traversed'), its politics resemble that of any other African country. Many of the tribes have their own implicit or explicit parties (e.g. ANC is predominantly Xhosa-dominated, IFP is practically a Zulu party, Malema comes from a minority tribe called the Pedi) and the non-black minority groups practically uniformly vote for the liberal opposition (i.e. the identity of being against the greater 'identity politics' of the black factions).

The ANC realized that "Zanuification" (land reform, etc.) a la Zimbabwe wouldn't work out, and so came to agreement with people like the Oppenheimers shortly before coming to power. The Oppenheimers wanted Apartheid gone because the sanctions put on South Africa were 'bad for business' (note that the Oppenheimers sold out their share of De Beers in 2011 anyway, implying that black-run SA is just as or even worse for business). Either way, the ANC's refusal to meddle deeply in the economy has help kept the country from falling into outright chaos since 1994.

The cause of the recent chimpouts is the jailing for corruption of former President Jacob Zuma (a Zulu). Basically, the Zulus have always been in conflict with the other tribes (hence why they were also fighting against the ANC in the 1980s and 1990s, have their own monarch, and are somewhat autonomous from the rest of the country), and are losing the tribal war to an alliance of other tribes like the Venda (Ramaphosa's group) and the Xhosa.

I don't think this affects Whites in any way, since the unrest is confined to heavily black areas (especially in the Zulu region where Zuma has the most support, and where the attacks on Zuma are probably interpreted as attacks on the Zulu in general). However, if the SANDF is deployed in Zululand to quell the riots it will seriously look like a hostile military occupation to the Zulu, and will probably lead to a further escalation of tensions. The late Zulu King was certainly no fan of the ANC, and on at least one occasion in late 2015 made a statement to the effect that black-run South Africa is worse than the Apartheid era.

The National Party, he said, had built a powerful government with the strongest economy and army on the continent, but then came “this so-called democracy” in which black people started destroying the gains of the past.

The king said history would judge black people harshly as they had failed to build on the successes of the Afrikaner regime.

He said black people “loved to use matches” to burn down infrastructure built during apartheid.

The king said the apartheid regime had built a mighty army. He said the South African currency and economy “surprisingly shot up” under the National Party regime.

“The economy that we are now burning down. You do not want to build on what you had inherited. You are going to find yourselves on the wrong side of history.”

“You don’t want to use them (buildings), you say this is apartheid infrastructure. Your leaders are occupying buildings where apartheid laws were made to oppress you,” the king said.

Despite the National Party’s having created anti-black laws, he was happy that it had treated him with respect.

“The Afrikaners respected me. I don’t know how it happened that the Afrikaners respect me so much.”

https://web.archive.org/web/20210319081647/https://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/king-praises-apartheid-regime-1956136

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for the informative post.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Are all these different tribe considered Bantu speaking? And which tribe is the core of the bantu genetic line?

Also a partially related. I'm having a debate with a liberal friend who says the bantu were in south africa first and the Boer and English came there and kicked them off the land. That can't be true. My understanding is that the cape wasn't occupied at all except for some small group of Koisan to the north? And even the natal was only occupied by Bantu well after the Boer and British had been living there a while. Aren't the Bantu native to central africa? Do you have a good source that can help me and my friend understand this history better?

I also appreciate your informative post!