The Secret IRS Files: Trove of Never-Before-Seen Records Reveal How the Wealthiest Avoid Income Tax

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[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Your points seem to be focused on discrediting anyone who disagrees with the alt right

Not at all. What a bizarre response.

If you re-read my original comment, it's not a simple knee-jerk statement that 'right wing bad, democrats good'. I mentioned that one should vote our the old people and vote in new people.

No you've stated here and elsewhere that the solution to our problems is to vote Democrat. Which, as I originally stated, is ridiculous and misguided IMO.

Regarding the alt right - if we want to discuss the alt right - they are far right, extremist scum who are interested in extremist far right aspects of the Republican party, and some of them are Libertarians, who are also helping Republicans.

Well I'm one of those 'extremist scum' you're talking about and as I and many others here have repeatedly stated we want nothing to do with the Republican party, despise it and the only thing that most of us ever liked about Trump -- although most of us have nothing but disdain for him now -- was that his 16 campaign was so unlike the typical Republican dross on many issues. How he governed is a different story but the original passion the Dissident Right had for him was precisely because he wasn't like most Republicans on issues like trade, immigration and foreign policy. Also as a former libertarian who now also despises that ideology again it's funny for you to lump them into the far right camp. Would be interesting to know who these alt-right/far-right libertarians are in your view.

Here's a debate topic: name ONE redeemable characteristic of the alt right.

How much time do you have? Obviously I'm biased being on the alt-right myself but it's a strange question anyway. Ethnic and racial self-advocacy for all people for one. We advocate for the rights of White people to collectively advocate on their own behalf and that's a great thing. Most people do and all people should be allowed to do so without being targeted by their enemies who usually say it's OK for them to collectively organize and pursue their own interests while declaring it the height of wickedness for us to do so.

The Alt-Right also largely promotes stable and mutually beneficial relations between the sexes rather than the conflict model promoted by mainstream feminists and others.

Most importantly to me because this has been a personal passion of mine since I was young and on the left the Alt-Right is also one of the most consistent anti-War movements in American political life. With normal Republicans and Democrats their passion for anti-war ideas seems to wax and wane depending on the administration in charge but our movement has been consistently hostile to the ridiculous, costly and destructive wars that especially America has been engaging in -- after Trump's first strike on Syria it was our guys out there protesting while people like anti-fa attacked us. I was an anti-war kid back in the Iraq days and I know many others who are the same way.

The alt-right is also one of the only groups in American political life to openly call out Jewish power and influence which is an undeniable and potent force in American life. You can't understand how America works without understanding Jewish power and we're the only ones who do that.

Do you want more? I could give you a hundred more?

I'll put a question to you: name any redeemable characteristic of your own worldview.

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Thanks for this, which I think includes some good points from the alt right, some of which, as you know, I've read at Saidit. (White supremacy is however a non-starter.) For example, it's good to question corrupt practices, some of which by Zionists. And yes, there are serious problems with the leading political parties.

But here's the rub:

As we know from HS Civics, the state of US politics is traditionally - if democracy works - a balancing act whereby one of two (and long ago, 3) leading parties trade places for control of governance. In the event of too much control by one party, the American experiment has built into it a means by which so-called "checks and balances" can challenge a corrupt development in one aspect of government. If however the Supreme Court has a majority of right-wing political hacks, and the House and Senate can be controlled by the Republicans (via filibuster) and corporations who pay off Joe Manchin and his ilk, then what does the alt right plan to do about this?

What Saiditors need to do is discuss solutions, rather than continue to complain, or to offer examples of who they are and what they want. If you won't vote for Democrats or Republicans (or Libertarian/Republican light), what will you do to make a make any changes in US politics. The solution at the moment is to balance political power and elect Democrats who will challenge the corrupt Republicans. (Yes, there are bad Democrats; I get it. Joe Manchin should be voted out of office, for example, for taking corporate bribes.) If there is any meaning to what the alt right want, there has to be a process whereby solutions are considered. I am not getting from Saiditors any of these solutions, only complaints.

I am not sure why you've asked me a question about a redeemable aspect of my world view, though one answer to this question is that: I am asking for solutions, and noting that old career politicians should be voted out of office so that new politicians who will do something for the 99% will be elected. And as noted above, the ONLY way this will work in the current 'representative democracy' is for a few Democrats to be elected, so that they can pass a the voting rights bill they recently had filibustered to death by Republicans (this would have limited Citizens United and corporate control). Already, the Democrats passed a jobs bill that will put people back to work. This is redeemable. Under Trump, the previous aid bill merely put money in the pockets of the 1%. I didn't need or want a lousy $1200, which didn't really help people. Instead of throwing a handfull of dollars at poor people, the government should help with jobs, which is exactly what happened with the jobs bill. This would not have been possible in a Republican-controlled government.