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[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What they found was that policy changes were driven entirely by elite opinion and to a lesser extent by special interest opinion. According to them average citizens preference had almost no effect on policy change. Whether the average citizens 90 percent opposed a policy or 90 percent supported a policy, it still had about a 30% chance of happening. With economic elites the story is radically different. If they all oppose something, it doesn't pass and if they all support it, it'll have a roughly 60 percent chance of getting passed.

This makes perfect sense, but doesn't it have some dreadful implications on the political situation today? The western world is entirely plutocratic. It's so plutocratic that it provides the model for plutocracy everywhere, both today and historically. Plutocrats will never oppose the policies that are in place today, because they are their only real beneficiaries. It's little different with middle class/PMC people. Maybe I just have awful luck, but I have never seen an upper class person that wasn't an "apolitical", individualist opportunist, a PMC that wasn't an insane, fanatical modern-day Puritan and a middle class person that wasn't a spineless, fence-sitting moral coward incapable of coming to terms with his own interests.

The main groups in opposition to the neoliberal hegemony that can boast of any activity seem to be "redneck hicks" and some select types of nonconformist zoomers. Liberalism is still extremely unpopular with the masses, of course, but as you yourself said, that doesn't count for much. If those figures are accurate, I am not sure what can really be done. The only way to replace a plutocratic elite in a plutocratic system is to just make more money than them, but not only are they calling the shots and running a monopolistic system - you also have to deal with the fact that many "based" new money plutocrats will like the extra power and strive to maintain the neoliberal system, even if the current elites were somehow magically replaced to make way for better people.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yep you're exactly right, the only way they were taken out of power last time was through hundreds of thousands of people organising due to the high amount of social capital and feeling of solidarity amongst very action-orientated and masculine men post world war 1.

Since then the people in power have been doing everything they can to break up social ties (social capital) and promote anti-authoritarianism through New Left, Postmodernism etc philosophies. I have come to the same realisation that we don't have the foundation for a fascist revolution (but it's still the only model that can work, we have no elite and military support for some kind of coup or something) and even if by some act of god we could organise literally millions of people they would still have more resources than us due to the insane amount of wealth inequality today compared to the interwar era.

We have the same struggle as them but all the factors they had in their favour don't apply to us and we have like 10x steeper of a hill to climb. The only benefit we did have was that we could reach people through the internet at a much lower cost than irl propaganda but even that is being taken from us.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My honest expectations are that if liberalism goes south, it will be because of the aggressive insistence of liberals on self-sabotage and idiocy, if anything. This does complicate things for people who want to do something constructive, though. I can't think of anything doable other than building human capital, networking and promoting a new counter-culture and self-improvement, then just waiting for a political solution to develop on its own. It seems like an atrocious plan but I can't think of anything better. Even then, that also has its risks.