What term best describes your ideology, and why?

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[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Thanks for catching me up. Wasn't that 1929 programme before Strasser was kicked out though? Weren't some of these points changed when the party dropped the strasserites? Didn't Hitler and Strasser have a big debate about corporations, property rights etc?

Obviously I would be in favor of socialism with strong founding documents that kept jews out of the reich and kept subversives out of office; I absolutely consider myself a neo natsoc and/or natsoc apologist. I'm more arguing about the dangers of using the word bolshvik or communist for a white nationalist group. It might work in local slavic politics but wouldn't work in Europe or the US.

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Thanks for catching me up.

No problem. I understand that my ideology is somewhat niche, I worry that Right-Wing Socialists will make the same mistakes of the past and work against their own interests. Nationalism comes BEFORE Socialism.

Wasn't that 1929 programme before Strasser was kicked out though? Weren't some of these points changed when the party dropped the strasserites?

Yes. While Otto Strasser is an interesting figure, most NazBols don't fully associate with him, despite thinking he was a better option. I'm not entirely convinced either way. While I prefer Hitler for his personality and philosophy, The Strasser's economics I feel would have been a better option, but that's just speculation. Hindsight is always 20/20. I can't blame Otto for his actions against Hitler, such as the dishonest hitpiece which is "Hitler & I". If my brother was shot and left to bleed out like Gregor I'd be pissed off as well, can't say I wouldn't do something similar to be honest.

Didn't Hitler and Strasser have a big debate about corporations, property rights etc?

It's difficult to say. Hitler and Goebbels never openly spoke about inner-party struggles for the sake of party security, and Otto Strasser's word isn't good enough. Strasser was intelligent, no doubt, but considering in "Hitler & I" he says a lot of outlandish stuff, and has a lot of unsupported debates, we must take what he said with a grain of salt. I definitely recommend reading it so you can come to your own conclusion, but it doesn't match up to a lot the other NSDAP memoirs. Cultured Thug covered it in his Strasserism video. And again, if my own brother was killed the way Gregor Strasser was, I'd probably be pretty vindictive too. For example, Otto goes as far to claim that Hitler was never shot during the Beer Hall Putsch, and implies Hitler murdered his niece.

Obviously I would be in favor of socialism with strong founding documents that kept jews out of the reich and kept subversives out of office; I absolutely consider myself a neo natsoc and/or natsoc apologist.

I consider myself a Hitler apologist to an extent, despite my disagreements. While I understand his flaws, calling him the devil on earth is ridiculous. He's definitely one of the most lied about men in history. What I don't like was his (perhaps justified) paranoia about anything remotely resembling Socialism. Also, if the White National Revolution is Capitalist or Fascist, I'd subordinate myself and anyone who listened to me to it. 25% of 100 is better than 100% of 0. Ernst Niekisch and Karl Otto Paetel both were part of the German-Resistance during WW2, which in my opinion is unforgivable.

I'm more arguing about the dangers of using the word bolshvik or communist for a white nationalist group. It might work in local slavic politics but wouldn't work in Europe or the US.

I agree with that but I can't find a better term to describe myself. Plus, "National Communist" or "National Bolshevik" is easier to defend than "National Socialist", to the Right and Left alike. If Whites retake their homelands I'm happy, Socialism is just a preference.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Also, if the White National Revolution is Capitalist or Fascist, I'd subordinate myself and anyone who listened to me to it. 25% of 100 is better than 100% of 0.

Agreed. I share the same sentiment. I will put away all debate, police loudly discordant characters, and get behind the movement which ever direction we get rolling. Unity, strength, trust, and willingness to sacrifice will become of extreme importance if we are to survive. They tyranny we are going to endure as we coalesce into a real political party will be unreal. I'm watching the NJP with cautious optimism.

I agree with that but I can't find a better term to describe myself. Plus, "National Communist" or "National Bolshevik" is easier to defend than "National Socialist", to the Right and Left alike.

Got it. Thanks for clarifying.