What term best describes your ideology, and why?

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[–]VarangianRasputin[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

There are no nazbols. It has always been a meme.

The term 'National Bolshevism' actually predates terms like National Socialism. People just looked at what the Bolsheviks were doing and thought, "Hey, that's cool. But less faggotry please?". Marx had a few good ideas worth noting (not overly-worth studying anymore though, considering that stuff is over 100 years old).

Karl Otto Paetal and Ernst Niekisch, both of whom called themselves National Bolsheviks, were fairly big players in Weimar-Era Germany. Paetel even had a faction in the NSDAP, and tried to reform it to be legitimately Socialist.

Nazbol meme helped to distance the alt right from magatards.

Those 'NazBols' are on the same level as 4Chan Brownshirts. They have their uses but overall they're an embarrassment.

The third position is pro volk and pro property rights among volk; communism destroys property rights in the name of workers communes and Jewish influenced mob rule. That's not third position at all.

In the 1929 Programme of the National Bolsheviks of the NSDAP, Paetel clearly states in points 3 & 4 that:

  1. That only he who is a folk-comrade should be a citizen, – folk-comrades can only be those of German blood. Jews, Slavs, Latins [Welsche] can therefore not be German citizens; non-citizens to be classed as guests and placed under legislation governing foreigners;

  2. That the right to determine the leadership and laws of the state may be conceded only to citizens; therefore, the NSDAP demands that every public office of whatever kind, whether in Reich, state, or municipality, may be occupied by citizens alone;

"Jewish Influenced Mob Rule" can't happen when there is no Jews. Granted I would prefer a syndicated voting system like corporatism.

I think most NazBols wouldn't call themselves Third Position, I think most (including myself) think of us as "Fourth Positionists" a la Dugin, but that might just be semantics to be honest. Plus, full honesty, I'm not that huge on Dugin.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Thanks for catching me up. Wasn't that 1929 programme before Strasser was kicked out though? Weren't some of these points changed when the party dropped the strasserites? Didn't Hitler and Strasser have a big debate about corporations, property rights etc?

Obviously I would be in favor of socialism with strong founding documents that kept jews out of the reich and kept subversives out of office; I absolutely consider myself a neo natsoc and/or natsoc apologist. I'm more arguing about the dangers of using the word bolshvik or communist for a white nationalist group. It might work in local slavic politics but wouldn't work in Europe or the US.

[–]VarangianRasputin[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thanks for catching me up.

No problem. I understand that my ideology is somewhat niche, I worry that Right-Wing Socialists will make the same mistakes of the past and work against their own interests. Nationalism comes BEFORE Socialism.

Wasn't that 1929 programme before Strasser was kicked out though? Weren't some of these points changed when the party dropped the strasserites?

Yes. While Otto Strasser is an interesting figure, most NazBols don't fully associate with him, despite thinking he was a better option. I'm not entirely convinced either way. While I prefer Hitler for his personality and philosophy, The Strasser's economics I feel would have been a better option, but that's just speculation. Hindsight is always 20/20. I can't blame Otto for his actions against Hitler, such as the dishonest hitpiece which is "Hitler & I". If my brother was shot and left to bleed out like Gregor I'd be pissed off as well, can't say I wouldn't do something similar to be honest.

Didn't Hitler and Strasser have a big debate about corporations, property rights etc?

It's difficult to say. Hitler and Goebbels never openly spoke about inner-party struggles for the sake of party security, and Otto Strasser's word isn't good enough. Strasser was intelligent, no doubt, but considering in "Hitler & I" he says a lot of outlandish stuff, and has a lot of unsupported debates, we must take what he said with a grain of salt. I definitely recommend reading it so you can come to your own conclusion, but it doesn't match up to a lot the other NSDAP memoirs. Cultured Thug covered it in his Strasserism video. And again, if my own brother was killed the way Gregor Strasser was, I'd probably be pretty vindictive too. For example, Otto goes as far to claim that Hitler was never shot during the Beer Hall Putsch, and implies Hitler murdered his niece.

Obviously I would be in favor of socialism with strong founding documents that kept jews out of the reich and kept subversives out of office; I absolutely consider myself a neo natsoc and/or natsoc apologist.

I consider myself a Hitler apologist to an extent, despite my disagreements. While I understand his flaws, calling him the devil on earth is ridiculous. He's definitely one of the most lied about men in history. What I don't like was his (perhaps justified) paranoia about anything remotely resembling Socialism. Also, if the White National Revolution is Capitalist or Fascist, I'd subordinate myself and anyone who listened to me to it. 25% of 100 is better than 100% of 0. Ernst Niekisch and Karl Otto Paetel both were part of the German-Resistance during WW2, which in my opinion is unforgivable.

I'm more arguing about the dangers of using the word bolshvik or communist for a white nationalist group. It might work in local slavic politics but wouldn't work in Europe or the US.

I agree with that but I can't find a better term to describe myself. Plus, "National Communist" or "National Bolshevik" is easier to defend than "National Socialist", to the Right and Left alike. If Whites retake their homelands I'm happy, Socialism is just a preference.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Also, if the White National Revolution is Capitalist or Fascist, I'd subordinate myself and anyone who listened to me to it. 25% of 100 is better than 100% of 0.

Agreed. I share the same sentiment. I will put away all debate, police loudly discordant characters, and get behind the movement which ever direction we get rolling. Unity, strength, trust, and willingness to sacrifice will become of extreme importance if we are to survive. They tyranny we are going to endure as we coalesce into a real political party will be unreal. I'm watching the NJP with cautious optimism.

I agree with that but I can't find a better term to describe myself. Plus, "National Communist" or "National Bolshevik" is easier to defend than "National Socialist", to the Right and Left alike.

Got it. Thanks for clarifying.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Bolsheviks

Literally killed gays. So, they were not a bundle of sticks like you've stated. The current National Bolsheviks are largely Zionist, Jewish and degenerates. Mike Enoch and Richard Spencer are examples.

[–]VarangianRasputin[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Literally killed gays.

Lenin legalized it. Stalin banned it. Marx, Castro, Mao, etc all hated it, yes.

So, they were not a bundle of sticks like you've stated.

I was using the term 'faggotry' to refer to leftist ideals. As in, men being feminine.

The current National Bolsheviks are largely Zionist, Jewish and degenerates.

Who and How? Genuinely interested in hearing that. More reasons to separate myself from the NazBols and be a British NatCom.

Mike Enoch and Richard Spencer are examples.

First, I wasn't aware Richard Spencer was NazBol. I know he pointed out that the Ukrainian famine was a mixture of rapid socialist polices and bad weather, but that's just being honest.

Second, confessedly, I don't even know who Mike Enoch is. I've heard the name, but that's it.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Look at the Ezra Levant crew. People like Lauren Southern, not her real name, and her other Israeli friends who call themselves the alt-right. Milo is one example. He is a magatard, calls himself an alt-rightist and is a homosexual Jew and Zionist.There are many Nazbols including Mike Enoch, Jewish and Spencer who are Duginists. I believe Southern even traveled to Russia to meet her hero Dugin. And Dugin is a Zionist but a multilateralist Zionist, different than unipolar Zionists, though I'd reckon the unipolarists would switch over to multilateralism if it helped Israel.

Renegadetribune, although I totally disagree with many of their articles, did do a long write up on the people involved in National Bolshevism, at least in its modern form. The article exposed the modern Nazbol's use of ideological subversion and demoralization used to hijack nationalist thinking.

Another book I highly recommend is 'Judas Goats' by Michael Collins Piper which exposes how Zionists hijack nationalism through the left and right. Think Dailystormer... just another Jewish Zionist owned web media publisher that demoralizes and ideological subverts its readers.

I had taken the time to watch many of these self-named alt-rightist Nazbols on streaming services, which they frequent, and the more I spent time listening to them the more they showed their cards. They are all degenerates whose goal is to destroy true nationalism. I'm sure that they are nothing like the NB's of the early 20th century.

[–]VarangianRasputin[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

People like Lauren Southern, not her real name, and her other Israeli friends who call themselves the alt-right.

Not NazBol. She calls herself a Libertarian for fucks sake.

Milo is one example. He is a magatard, calls himself an alt-rightist and is a homosexual Jew and Zionist.

Not NazBol. He's a Sargon of Akkad-type "Classical Liberal". He has nothing to do with Socialism or Nationalism.

I believe Southern even traveled to Russia to meet her hero Dugin.

Interviewing someone makes them your hero? Fuck off. You clearly know nothing about Dugin or Lauren Southern.

And Dugin is a Zionist but a multilateralist Zionist, different than unipolar Zionists, though I'd reckon the unipolarists would switch over to multilateralism if it helped Israel.

Your 'reckoning' doesn't mean shit to me, considering you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Also let me quote myself:

Plus, full honesty, I'm not that huge on Dugin.

Did you even read my post are you just trolling?

Renegadetribune, although I totally disagree with many of their articles, did do a long write up on the people involved in National Bolshevism, at least in its modern form. The article exposed the modern Nazbol's use of ideological subversion and demoralization used to hijack nationalist thinking.

Care to share this article instead of just mentioning it? Also get fucked. You don't know what National Bolshevism is; your entire conception of it is 4Chan memes.

Another book I highly recommend is 'Judas Goats' by Michael Collins Piper which exposes how Zionists hijack nationalism through the left and right. Think Dailystormer... just another Jewish Zionist owned web media publisher that demoralizes and ideological subverts its readers.

Calling Andrew Anglin a Fed or Zionist immediately makes me assume you're either a retard, schizoposting or trolling. I disagree with him on some stuff, but that man is definitely legit. Go fuck yourself. He's done more for this movement than you and me combined.

Zionists hijack Nationalism, but they do it for Civic Nationalism, not Ethnic Nationalism. You have no idea what you're talking about.

I had taken the time to watch many of these self-named alt-rightist Nazbols on streaming services, which they frequent, and the more I spent time listening to them the more they showed their cards. They are all degenerates whose goal is to destroy true nationalism. I'm sure that they are nothing like the NB's of the early 20th century.

These 'NazBols' you mention aren't NazBols. In fact if you called them NazBols they'd probably be offended. Get fucked.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

http://www.renegadetribune.com/cultured-thug-the-nazbol/

http://www.renegadetribune.com/photo-gallery-how-the-alt-right-revealed-themselves-to-be-a-bunch-of-bolsheviks/

http://www.renegadetribune.com/sinead-anglin-is-openly-nazbol-i-told-you-so/

http://www.renegadetribune.com/maga-opus-rise-nazbols/

http://www.renegadetribune.com/matt-heimbach-disavows-white-nationalism-comes-out-as-a-communist-and-calls-for-poor-people-to-get-more-vaccines/

http://www.renegadetribune.com/the-fascifist-gdls-subversive-subhuman-who-pretends-to-be-white/

http://www.renegadetribune.com/alexander-dugin-i-am-against-fascism-against-racism-against-nationalism/

http://www.renegadetribune.com/avoiding-traitors-and-honey-traps/

Lauren Southern (not her real name) is a Zionist. All Zionists are anti-American. All US aid to all foreign countries should be stopped.

[–]VarangianRasputin[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

5 Replies; what the hell are you doing? Stop acting like a Schizo and have some basic structure.

I clicked on those links and it just seems to me RT just calls everybody they disagree with a National Bolshevik. He reaches so hard to try and connect them to National Bolshevism and flops miserably. Just because a guy talks about Dugin, doesn't automatically make him a NazBol. That's retarded. Also, Cultured Thug supports markets. Take a guess if National Communism/Bolshevism supports markets? I have my issues with Anglin, his over-reliance on Christianity being my main gripe. However, you're calling him a National Bolshevik because he made a joke about National Bolshevism? Are you Autistic or something? I'm not joking, I'm genuinely curious. Besides, in that DS article which RT cites as evidence, Anglin actually made it clear he wasn't a National Bolshevik.

You act as if your a goddamn expert on National Bolshevism, and then the have the fucking gall to, in the same breath, ask me to fill you in on it and tell you who the main ideologues are? Fine, I'll humor you; my main inspiration is Karl Otto Paetel. Here is a bunch of his written works.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

God bless. And Karl Otto is what I'm talking about. Awesome information! Thanks.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Zionists hijack Nationalism, but they do it for Civic Nationalism, not Ethnic Nationalism.

For which country?

[–]VarangianRasputin[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Britain. Guys like Tommy Robinson, Sargon of Akkad, Paul Joseph Watson, etc. It also happens in America, with guys like Charlie Kirk.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, they all love Israel and Mossad, and hijack nationalism in other coutries for Israel's sake. PJW seemed to switch ideologies pretty quick when he realized he could make more money shilling for the neocons.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So, please tell me then, who are your preferred modern day nazbols?

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I know that whatever the US nazbols are, many subversives are hijacking and infiltrating it, as they did with the alt-right who were mostly just a bunch of Jewish subversives.

Have you read 'Judas Goats' by chance?

Andrew Anglin Is a Jewish subversive.

Have fun with your degenerate nazbol family.

Fill me up on Nazbolism? Who isnits leader and what does it stand for and why do you believe it is for a good cause?

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

http://www.renegadetribune.com/christcuckoldry-celibacy-psychopathy-and-the-daily-stormer/

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Even better:

http://www.renegadetribune.com/andrew-anglin-daily-stormer-timeline-deception/