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[–]Richard_Parker 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (27 children)

Eh, I am rather adverse to Hitler. But not the way Abraham Foxman and friends want me to be, but the way many of Germany's best generals were. Read Manstein's memoirs, Guderian's memoirs. David Frasier's biography on Rommel is also interesting. Hitler lost the war that Germany had won, and he showed callus disregard for the lives of his own people. He also favored absolute barbarity against gentile Poles and Russians. I still think Churchill, Roosevelt, and Stalin were worse....

[–]SoylentCapitalist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

Hitler lost the war that Germany had won

I wouldn't go as far to say they would have won even without Hitler's military blunders. Even if after they pushed passed Moscow, the Soviets would of kept fighting. Germany would have long run out of resources when the industrial power of the US presented itself in Europe.

[–]Richard_Parker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

Hitler declared war on the United States. Doubt the Wehrmacht High Command would have invaded the Soviet Union before resolving the war with Britain first.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

It was my understanding that Japan forced Hitler to declare on the US as Japan was part of the Axis.

[–]oneinchterror 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Correct. Which is why Japan was baited by the US administration into attacking the US.

[–]Richard_Parker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Another strike against him, as he was duped by the Nips, thinking he would could mutual cooperation re the USSR....

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

It's not a strike because it's not true. Irving goes over this in detail in Hitler's War. The US Navy was up to all sorts of dirty tricks in the Atlantic and the German navy needed the declaration of war so they could retaliate.

[–]Richard_Parker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

I know very well what the USN was up to. It was still insane to declare war on the US while knee deep in shit just outside Mosocw.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Those soldiers 'knee deep in shit' needed the supplies the US was helping to impede Germany from providing them. It's so easy to sit back decades later -- or be a German general and write memoirs that are self serving and flattering which blame others which they all do -- and be the perfect warlord but it always seems hollow to me.

[–]Richard_Parker 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Sigh. This is becoming annoying because the proof is in the pudding. Germany lost the war in disastrous fashion, despite being endowed with the very paragon of military discipline and prowess, a most lethal instrument.

Concerning the declaration of war against the United States, I do not submit it is entirely without reason, but strategically suicidal.

I will leave with you a tip from Abraham Lincoln. The United States seized the RMS Trent and arrested four confederate delegates., The British were outraged and began ratting sabres, in the context of dicey relations from the War of Independence and the War of 1812. Lincoln made the choice not to press, released the emissaries and issued a formal apology to Great Britian, because he understood the United States could not possibly beat both the Confederacy AND Britain. When Lincoln made this decision however reluctantly, he said to his cabinet "One war at at a time, gentleman."

It is somewhat inapposite as there was probably never a diplomatic solution with the United States, but this is espeially so once Germany was overextended with the war against Britain AND the Soviet Union. It was foolhardy to declare war on the Soviet Union, but I will grant part of that is hindsight when you consider the purge of officers, how they were trounced by the Finns, experience from World War I. On the other hand, German strategic theory had always fretted over the dangers of a two (or three) front war. Should have at least taken care to seize the Suez canal THEN take on the Soviet Union.

The bottom line is that it was mathematically impossible for Germany to win once they declared war on the United States, especially after the Wehrmacht failed to take Moscow.

Finally, I will mention again Hitler's own tyranny against the German people (and I do not mean communists etc). That Chapter by Manstein concerning the callus disregard for the lives of his own men cannot be refuted or gainsaid. Also watch Der Untergang if you need to be reminded he fucked up.

To make sure I am not misunderstood, i will paraphrase a comment attributed to Guderian while in allied captivity (one I am still looking to corraborate). The problem was never of ideology. As ideology, national socialism is sound. The problem was of leadership. I understand and agree with the reasons why the Germans followed Hitler. And they had no way of knowing what an imperfect leader he would be. But we do know that and, in trying to reclaim those tenets of national socialism that bear promise to save Europe and the West, we have to acknowledge what a disaster he was from a national socialist or dissident right perspective.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

USA could have been germany's ally. But they chose Japan. American Nazis chose Smedley Butler and he betrayed them. Imaigne if that didn't happen. Maybe USA and Japan could have come to an agreement on territories. Germany chose Hitler as their Smedley style figurehead. He didn't betray them but he was nuts and attacked a bunch of countries. It was mathematically impossible from the start. This all began after the first World War. It was also mathamatically impossible to pay back those reparations and that forced germany into a "fuck it let's go for broke" situation where you don't care about mathamatical odds because you're in fight or flight mode and your backs to the wall. Since then they took over Europe again through the European Union and I think another war is brewing.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Hitler reluctantly declared war against his instincts because his naval command had begged him to because the US navy was all but a combatant against Germany at that stage.

[–]Richard_Parker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am well aware of that. Still insane.

[–]lithre 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Don't forget the atomic bomb was originally designed for Germany.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Tim Kelly Just had James Hoffman on Our Interesting Times. Hoffman wrote a book called Adolf Hitler: Enemy of the German People. It's a critique of Hitler from the right so you might be interested in it. I haven't read the book yet though but Hoffman is respected revisionist historian and he use to interview David Irving a lot when Irving was getting a lot of attacks from media.

Links to the interview are in the description of this youtube video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APGMLwy28N0&t=4s

[–]Richard_Parker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I am definitely checking that out. Not sure why I am receiving so much pushback on Uncle Addie.

[–]SailorAground 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

While Hitler had many great qualities and ideas, he also had many bad ones. It's the concept that great men also have great flaws. Hitler was prone to prejudices and grudges (many great men are) and seems to have placed too much trust in members of his inner circle. I attribute many of his poor military decisions late in the war to the quack of a doctor who was treating him with "holistic cures" and "state-of-the-art medicine" but was in fact simply pumping him full of narcotics. Hitler being a trusting man could not see that he was being scammed and poisoned by this doctor even when confronted with evidence by the Chief Surgeon of the NSDAP and Army. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Morell

Also, as comfy as NatSoc ideology is, I still find its totalitarian bent and suspicion of Christianity unappealing. Also, it seems that it's really just monarchy with more steps, so I don't see what is gained over a traditional monarchy.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I attribute many of his poor military decisions late in the war to the quack of a doctor

He was a meth and opioid addict. This is what led to his deterioration and poor military decisions more than anything else I'd say.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

For a second I thought you meant this Hoffman:

http://www.thomassuarez.com/collier_hoffman_response.html

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Lol. I just realized I wrote 'james' instead of 'michael'. I must have been thinking of my favorite youtube barista.

This is the guy I meant to reference

https://twitter.com/HoffmanMichaelA?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHoffmanMichaelA&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.revisionisthistory.org%2Fpage1%2Fnews.html

https://www.blogger.com/profile/09485741729327325322

He wrote Usury in Christendom and hopefully one day he will pay someone to clean up his websites to make them more usable.

This blog looks like it was started in 2001

https://truthfulhistory.blogspot.com/2016/02/special-offers.html