Debate a "leftist"

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[–]Richard_Parker 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You mean like disparaging "bad" whites who do not kneel to your abject lunacy with lines like "check your privilege?"

It may still be possible to have dialogue with some reasonable lefties who do not (yet) see the light, but you are not one of them. Calling whites bigots, engaging in these conversation renders is not helpful.

[–]DoubleReverse[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You're not being ostracized for being white, you are being ostracized for engaging in bigotry.

[–]Richard_Parker 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You are engaging in circular logic, as well as using loaded, emotioanally charged words that generally end the conversation.

First, you know jack and shit about me. I already stated I do not hate each and every person of a group because they are of that group. I do male genrlaizations based on repeated observations and trends on a macro scale.

Do you deny that groups of people need to make general, collective assessments of other groups in order to make sense of the world? Eg, in wwii vast majority of Japanese soldiers holding an island did not surrender, went on bonsai attacks, played dead then detonated grenades to take out US soldiers in their vicinity. In response, the American armed forces acted on the general collective assessment that the Japanese do not surrender. They still accepted prisoners when they could, three percent, but that was not their default modus operandi and took prisoners in the Pacific theater in a much differnt manner than North Africa or Europe.

My bias, not bigotry, against blacks operates under a similar collective assessment. So are you going to engage me, or just call me a bigot yet once more.

[–]DoubleReverse[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

"Do you deny that groups of people need to make general, collective assessments of other groups in order to make sense of the world?"

I do. It's helpful if the group acts with coordinated agency like a nation or political group, but there's no reason to make up generalizations about groups that anybody can be inherently born into. The "Japan" you're referring to in this context is a structured beurocracy that can meaningfully direct its constituents. One can reasonably assume a soldier fighting on behalf of the Japanese government will not surrender because that person joined the Japanese military and accepted their principles, but you'll notice basically the entire Japanese population of the USA in fact did surrender, en masse.

That said, when I say bigotry I'm not referring to people's opinions.

"My bias, not bigotry, against blacks operates under a similar collective assessment. So are you going to engage me, or just call me a bigot yet once more."

Whether or not you personally are a bigot is irrelevant.

[–]Richard_Parker 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The "Japan" you're referring to in this context is a structured beurocracy that can meaningfully direct its constituents.

What the fuck are you talking about? Do you think hundreds of thousands of young men are going to die in that matter because of "structured bureacracy." No these are deeply embedded through mores ingrained in Japanese society for centuries.

Also, Japanese in America are not Japanese. In any case, to redirect, blacks collectively commit wildly disproportionate levels of crime, and they vote for their interests monolithically. About five percent of blacks ever vote Republican. This justifies not just me but any racially conscious person to make generalizations about them.

You decry this is as "discrimination" and "bigotry," but when you pressed why this is bad given collective differences, you engage in the circular of logic of "well its bad because its discrimination and bigotry.

[–]DoubleReverse[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So if the Japanese people in America were no true Scotsmen, why do you assume everybody else must be?

"About five percent of blacks ever vote Republican."

And almost all white supremacists vote Republican. Coincidence? I think not.