Debate a "leftist"

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[–]DoubleReverse[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

"Do you deny that groups of people need to make general, collective assessments of other groups in order to make sense of the world?"

I do. It's helpful if the group acts with coordinated agency like a nation or political group, but there's no reason to make up generalizations about groups that anybody can be inherently born into. The "Japan" you're referring to in this context is a structured beurocracy that can meaningfully direct its constituents. One can reasonably assume a soldier fighting on behalf of the Japanese government will not surrender because that person joined the Japanese military and accepted their principles, but you'll notice basically the entire Japanese population of the USA in fact did surrender, en masse.

That said, when I say bigotry I'm not referring to people's opinions.

"My bias, not bigotry, against blacks operates under a similar collective assessment. So are you going to engage me, or just call me a bigot yet once more."

Whether or not you personally are a bigot is irrelevant.

[–]Richard_Parker 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The "Japan" you're referring to in this context is a structured beurocracy that can meaningfully direct its constituents.

What the fuck are you talking about? Do you think hundreds of thousands of young men are going to die in that matter because of "structured bureacracy." No these are deeply embedded through mores ingrained in Japanese society for centuries.

Also, Japanese in America are not Japanese. In any case, to redirect, blacks collectively commit wildly disproportionate levels of crime, and they vote for their interests monolithically. About five percent of blacks ever vote Republican. This justifies not just me but any racially conscious person to make generalizations about them.

You decry this is as "discrimination" and "bigotry," but when you pressed why this is bad given collective differences, you engage in the circular of logic of "well its bad because its discrimination and bigotry.

[–]DoubleReverse[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So if the Japanese people in America were no true Scotsmen, why do you assume everybody else must be?

"About five percent of blacks ever vote Republican."

And almost all white supremacists vote Republican. Coincidence? I think not.