Interesting, where did you get that info? I'm not challenging; just wondering. I just ordered the O'Neill book and it took a while because it's almost sold out. Probably Rogan gave the book a huge boost. if you order it be careful because some other 'writer' is usung the same title, Chaos. So, I can't really discuss that situation intelligently without reading O'Neill's book and whatever you've read. So maybe the c i a was trying to do an Epstein thing intel ring. Duh. Have you ever read Joan Didion's White Album? It doesn't go deep with info like you mentioned but she describes the paranoia that held S.Cali in its grip after whatever we should call the Manson Affair. Like anything the Catholics in Action is involved in, there are various layers of contradiction involved and the truth is hard to find. I'm having to write on a virtual keyboard since my wife poured a glass of vodka tonic directly into my keyboard. We usually get along but sometimes but now and then there are glitches. I was single until 37. Marriage is for the weak and I'm weak, especially for booze. You are a breath of fresh air on saidit that is starting to spin out of control with no leadership. So tell me where you got the info and my new/used keyboard will arrive shortly. Thanks