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[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

I haven't heard a single coherent plan to actually restore a decent government so far. I'm not talking about saving a group of people, I'm talking about saving everyone or almost everyone and to me this is imposible to do without using violence.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Agreed! Not ONCE in all of history has any tyrranical or otherwise rotten government ever been overturned without violence. I'd love to see it, but I wouldn't believe it until it happened.

No, the only other way out I see is the Sun exploding. And that's coming soon. So... Yeah, whatever.

[–]EddieC 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

All revolutions revolve to rotate end up back where you were, with more tyrannical government.

Sit and spin if you like. It's a free country.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

On that I agree as well. Evil infects most humans. Power corrupts. And so on.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

...to actually restore a decent government...

Why would you want to restore government?
One definition of insanity is repeating something expecting different results.

Fuck government and ALL top-down authority, left, right, whatever..

...I'm talking about saving everyone or almost everyone...

This is already impossible. The eugenics violence is already being injected into the hysterical masses who think we are the problem, rather than the corporatocracy.

Violence delegitimizes all rational discourse, as is often intended, usually inflicted by the ruling class and their minions, official or not, with their monopoly on violence. We can never beat them.

And we can never come up with "good tyranny" with the top-down establishment support of rigged systems.

Realistically the best we can do is to resist as hard, as long, and as much as possible, while developing bottom-up, crowd-sourced, decentralized, defensive, flexible, resilient, sustainable, cooperative and voluntaryist alternatives and solutions that are FOTPACH (fair, open, transparent, peaceful, accountable, consistent, honest). We MUST NOT grow within their system, we must build NEW systems for freedom to evade, spread, and share, that thinks outside their prison box of full spectrum dominance.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I see. Well, despite how hostile life can be over here in Latin America, a lot of us still believe in authorities. I'm an authoritarian as well, because I can't help but be inspired by the way great people have shaped history for the better in contrast to all the corruption we are constantly exposed to. I believe in the myth of the Caudillo, not like in the personalist ruler, but the great person that changes history for the best. So I believe in revolutions as well... A single person can make a difference.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I can't help but be inspired by the way great people have shaped history for the better in contrast to all the corruption we are constantly exposed to.

That's a huge crock of shit. Just because you or I or others in comparatively comfortable lives haven't seen war, hard times, and tyranny up close until 2020 doesn't mean that it hasn't been pushed on BILLIONS of people in other parts of the world throughout all of history - ALL of it by "authorities" of the ruling class.

They are done with us (largely useless eaters, Boomers, Gen X, safe space Millennials, etc) and can get cheaper labour and robots for the rest of time.

In my previous response I forgot to mention a few more things.

We not only need uncensored alternative platforms, media, and a variety of means of sharing, teaching, and communicating freely, we also need to be building stronger communities that include support networks that aren't just for snowflakes lacking motivation, but also for pragmatically making us stronger and more prepared to endure, come what may. Sound bodies are useless without sound minds and sound purpose.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Just because you descentralize things doesn't mean things will go well. There's a reason why capitalism gets used to destroy people's faith in authorities, for example. A lot of capitalists border on complete anarchism, and this has helped destroy relationships a great deal... People live in a state of nomadism.

I think you fall for a lot of Nirvana fallacies my friend, how are you going to keep a descentralized site from going corrupt, all the more while fighting the most evil and powerful Intelligence Agencies in the world without forcing your authority somehow? I think you are too harsh on the people who believe in responsible authorities.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

yeah if things are decentralized that makes it easy for them to be invaded and hence recentralized. So what is the solution, a limited form a centralization. That is what the founding fathers had in mind I think. They needed to band together in order to defeat the british, but they knew history would repeat with tyranny if they let power be too centralized. If it gets centralized so much that one man has power to start wars, war is guaranteed.