Catholic Priest Cesare Zacchi served as the representative of the Vatican in Cuba for years while also supporting the communist policies of the state. (X-post from s/Jesuits)

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[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

And you show your histrionic insanity again. I'm probably the most hardcore Holocaust Denier conspiracist out there and you accuse me of not criticizing Jews or being one myself? Does anyone that doesn't agree with you a Jew then?

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

When you claim I'm not human you are following naturalistic Judaeo-masonic materialism, specifically targeted at Christians. I never claimed you were a Jew—and Holocaust denial is beside the the point... Hitler was no friend to the Christians (read OSS report)—however, in the past you were mad that I mentioned Talmudists in a bad light. Had you not in the post below basically call me a subhuman I might not have had the opinion that you are expousing very much the same views supremacist Jews spew.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

/u/socks

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I think everything /u/HibikiBlack notes about Jesuits and Jews is accurate, and not indicative of his religious faith. It's just history. Both of you would likely agree on much of that history. You both know that it was fundamental for Jesuits to convert all non-believers to Christianity, and this of course included Jews, many of whom were therefore forced to become New Christians. But the New Christians were still considered Jews. New names given to them were often the place names where they lived. And of course Jesuits have to work witihn the political structures they find themselve in around the globe. So a communist Jesuit in Cuba is not surprising in the least. I am not sure I contributed anything useful here, as I've not read the entire thread.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Well, he basically called me a subhuman indicative of Jewish supremacism.

Jesuits and Jews is accurate, and not indicative of his religious faith.

Considering he parrots disinformation from Southern Israelite, Edmond Paris, a Freemason; as well as Jack Chick and a various other Zionist disinformationists and racists; though he is probably doing this unintentionally, he seems to forget that their are many sides of Judaism and Catholicism.

It's just history. Both of you would likely agree on much of that history.

Not if he parrots rabbi Antelmen and Barry Chamish theories. And his first statement is wrong... that Jews were not allowed into the Jesuit order until modern times. That is completely false.

The question then becomes how does Hibs define a Jew? Becuase that determination will reveal why he says that "no Jew was allowed in the order."

You both know that it was fundamental for Jesuits to convert all non-believers to Christianity, and this of course included Jews, many of whom were therefore forced to become New Christians.

Yes, indeed, but for the most part Jesuits showed piety and were humble in heart. Many Jews converted and preached the gospel far and wide and were persecuted because of it. During this time many wealthy Jews held Christians as slaves especially centuries before during the Visigoth reign when the black shield Jews circumcised their Christian slaves.

But the New Christians were still considered Jews. New names given to them were often the place names where they lived. And of course Jesuits have to work witihn the political structures they find themselve in around the globe. So a communist Jesuit in Cuba is not surprising in the least. I am not sure I contributed anything useful here, as I've not read the entire thread.

New Christians were not considered Jews, only that they had Jewish ancestry. It was Marranos who professed Christianity but like many Zionist Jews today, worked to destroy the order.

So a communist Jesuit in Cuba is not surprising in the least.

But modern Jesuits are not Catholic Jesuits. I agree with this, that they do find themselves in positions where they must work with the structures in which the preach but Catholic encyclicals are totally against communism and Nazism; only after Vatican 2 did things change.

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Oh - I hadn't noticed the insult part. I suppose I am so used to reading them on Saidit that I barely see them anymore.

Thanks for these points, which I think are pefectly clear about the broader history of Jesuit and Jewish engagements. There were also major differences in different countries. For example, Papal protection of Jews in Provence from the 13th century until the late 18th century might also be considered in this context.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Papal protection of Jews in Provence from the 13th century until the late 18th century might also be considered in this context.

Because Yeshua told us to turn the other cheek. Many Catholics were appalled by nazi persecution of Jews, many tried to save Jews, disabled persons and work shy people.

Catholics do not deny that Hitler was trying to rid the country of speculation and usury but he did it by way of race theory, eugenics and naturalism; similar to Zionism but Zionism diametrically opposed to Hitlerism. Due to this naturalism, persecution was inevitable.

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Yes - and one of the leading ethics questions of the 20th century has been: should the one with the most power always win? This is not exactly what we're discussing at the moment, but these approaches to 'naturalism' make me think of that ethics problem. Social Darwinism of the late 19th century had a major role to play in the transfomation of 19th century eugenics into other forms of ethnic theory, and thus the conflicts between a master race and a chosen people. But these are just very general points.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yes, his distinction that I was not even human and trying to be one is indicative of Jewish supremacism. I also believe Hibs is /u/useless_aether who wanted to ban anyone criticizing Judaism and promoting his broad definition of communism. He was banned because he was calling for the censorship of others. Interestingly, Hibs also calls me a communist and the way he writes is exactly how useless_aether writes and borh are mods at /r/Jesuits. In useless_aether's poal.co posts he exclaims that muslims in the US should be incarcerated and deported.

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I see - and this helps very much with context. It's sad that there are people like that who could potentially contribute to discussions, but then draw down the conversation into hateful idiocy. Thanks for the update.