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[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

Not a Catholic. A fake one. Zacchi is an interesting surname

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (23 children)

Considering that he represented the Vatican, then can we agree that the Jesuits themselves are fake Catholics? Maybe even fake Christians? If they don't follow Jesus, then what master do they serve?

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

Jesuits were originally an incorporated arm of the Catholic church that spread the Gospel far and wide into nearly all corners of the Earth. Many helepd the poor, the needy and built orphanges for neglected children. Loyola had Jewish ancestry but a Jew can convert to Christianity and follow Christ. There were several Jews in the beginning of the Jesuit incorporation. But renounced their Jewish heritage for neither Jew, nor Greek, nor Roman in Christ. There were mostly, however, non-Jews upon its incorporation. Loyola was a great writer and meditated on Christ's words often. About 80 years into the incorporation of the Jesuit order the Synagogue of satan (ie Cabalist Jews) and gnostics and probaby plenty of other groups tried to infiltrate and subvert the order. The were nearly successful.

Reading transcipt archives of the blood purity law ordeal shows that cabbalist Jews were working hard to subvert the order and destroy it.

Suppression of Jesuits after the attempt of Marranos to take over which was defeated by blood purity laws, was done for a different reason. The Judaeo-masonic masons campaigned against Jesuits, who were the intellectual defenders of the Catholic belief, which was opposed by incorporated 'freethinkers' like Freemasons. Many countries that were structured on masonic-naturalism banned Jesuits because of this criticism, but the original reason for this criticism seems to be that Jesuits tried to help American Indians who were put to slave work and exploited by Portuguese.

However, in the 20th century Jesuits were 100% taken over by Cabalist Jews and Talmudics. So, no, Jesuits are Catholics and Christians and Catholics are Christians. But really it is the FRUIT you BEAR that determines your judgement. The institution of Christindom and Judaism is another matter entirely.

Cabalist Jews do not follow Christ and Talmudics hate Christ, these people front the fake modern Jesuit order. The real Catholics and jesuits do not hold much power, if any these days.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (21 children)

Bullshit. The Jews weren't even allowed to be part of the order until much later, after the incident with the national socialists and when the Jesuits were pushing anti-Semitism like crazy in Europe.

The truth is that the Jesuits hate Jews for being one of the most pro-tribalism/nationalism group out there, at least that's the thing that their holy book promotes, which the Jesuits can't stand and it degenerates into the whole "Jew plan to conquer the world" memes.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

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So it is now the official stance of the Roman Catholic Church that the death of chickens Jews sacrifice to expiate their sins…

http://redefininggod.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/chickensac.jpg

…is fully equivalent to the death of Jesus Christ to expiate sins. That right there is a 100% takeover of the Church, that only aids the Talmudics and Cabalists.

All this, however, is beside the point.

...but is that odd to you? that Jews can sincerely convert to Christianity and profess in Christ, who you claim is fake even though the Talmud writes about this character numerous times in a derogatory light? If that is odd to you than you obviously are a naturalist and oppose supernaturalism and the Mystical Body of Christ. Denis Fahey was most definitely right when he proclaimed that Jewish nationalism and Judeo-masonic Internationalism was the antithetical naturalistic opposite of National Socialist naturalism. Both incorporations renouncing Christ for Race and blood and both failing to see the universalism of Christ.

In the 15th century (when the infiltration started to happen and Marranos, Jews pretending to be Christians, tried to subvert the order (unlike the true converted Jews in the beginning of the order), very similar to how many Zionist Jews today try to subvert white nationalist movements and BDS movements, etc. ; the purity laws were enforced in Toledo, Spain. Interestingly, this was the very hotspot of Jewish finance at that time and centuries prior many wealthy Jewish banking houses, such as the Black shields, funded invading muslim armies who took over this very important city, the most important in Spain. Also, curiously, muslims were also banned from participating in their conversion and incorporation into the Jesuit order because many had worked with these invading armies.

The subversion of the order which initially was an incorporation to preach the gospel to all corners of the earth was under siege by parties that wished to climb the latter into high positions of power to takeover and destroy the order. Many names are mentioned in archives, Marranos were the greatest concern.

There are long transcripts in libraries of this ordeal where Jesuits and Catholics explain this infiltration. The purity laws were then adopted but these rules fizzled out.

after the incident with the national socialists and when the Jesuits were pushing anti-Semitism like crazy in Europe.

Anti-Semitism has always been a thing. Catholics were especially not pushing pro-Nazi sentiment.

'German Protestants' were the only ones pushing Nazism through the Prussian lodges. Catholics were 100% opposed to the Nazis as shown by their voting records in Germany and the Pope himself has hundreds of letters and encyclicals explaining how the Church and Mass was desecrated by the Nazis.

Of course you're free to completely skip over this history and base everything on a 20th century perspective; however, disregarding this archives does little good.

The truth is that the Jesuits hate Jews for being one of the most pro-tribalism/nationalism group out there.

Jesuits don't hate Jews. They hate naturalism which is the antithesis of supernaturalism and the Mystical Body of Christ. Jews after all were some of the first to follow Christ. Judaism today is simply the pharisaical religion of biblical times.

at least that's the thing that their holy book promotes, which the Jesuits can't stand and it degenerates into the whole "Jew plan to conquer the world" memes.

No, the new Testament promotes universalism and that the new covenant made the old obsolete.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

From what I remember, Jesus fought to protect the laws of the old kings but whatever.

Honestly, I don't know which one is dumber, V_A and Drake with their radical materialism or you guys with your extreme communist metaphysical nonsense. Why can't you see the beauty of nature? I've seen you hesitate a few times in the past, come on /u/Jesus there has to be a part of you that feels somewhat guilty and wishes to remain human despite everything.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No... /u/useless_aether Christians were persecuted by Pagans and Jewish High priests. One most remember that modern Judaism is NOT the Hebrew religion that broke away from the Pharisees. The Jewish encyclopedia admits that todays Judaism is Pharisirical which would explain why you denegrate Christ.

You debunked nothing and like every other Zionist naturalist call anyone who disagrees wirh them a communist when the Pope wrote dozens of encyclicals disparaging the Bolsheviks and communism.

I don't which one is dumber, V_A and Drake with their radical materialism or you guys with your extreme communist metaphysical nonsense.

Fallacy.

Why can't you see the beauty of nature?

There's a big difference between loving God's creation and and observing the bearty of His creation and also that such a material world is ruled by Satan. Nature is destructive and a force that should not be worshipped but it can be of solace to meditate in and listen to God.

I've seen you hesitate a few times in the past, come on /u/Jesus there has to be a part of you that feels somewhat guilty and wishes to remain human despite everything.

Fallacy and very odd statement coming from you. There's no hesitation just someone who disgrees with you but you have little to debunk historical truths.

Only a Talmudist would try to denigrate someone he disagrees with a "subhuman," which you just have done.

Weird how that works.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He fought to fulfill the law which he did by dying for our sins. The New literally says that the old withered away and became obsolete. The New was for Jewish redemption, only a small jumbers of Jews followed, the Jewish high priests, however, crucified Jesus.

The old was the law; anyone could follow it but few did and many Jews had fallen away. The New is the law through grace.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

/u/TheJamesRocket

I've been debunked.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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Emanuel de Lacunza who, wrote under the fictitious pen name of a purportedly converted Jew, Rabbi Juan Josaphat Ben Ezra, wrote that during the 'millennium' after the tribulation the Jewish animal sacrifices would be reinstated along with the Eucharist (the mass) of the Catholic Church. Lacunza has followed after Jewish fables and replaced the commandments of God with the commandments of men. That doctrine gives the Jews primacy in God's plan and relegates Christians to a prophetic parenthetical to be supplanted by the Jews during the thousand year earthly reign of Christ.

This book, of course, was banned by the Catholic church.

Claudia Acquaviva gave secret orders. These orders do not have the goal of gathering wealth to the Society with whatever means possible. The secret order that Acquaviva in reality gave according to Markys was to apply blood purity laws in order to stop admission of converted Jews to the Society of Jesuits.

The study explains the reasons for Acquaviva’s orders. The founder of the Jesuit order, Ignatius de Loyola, was pro-converso, but he had included into the Jesuit Constitution a rule that from everyone wanting to join Jesuits should be asked if he is a New Christian. If this practice had been done, it had been possible to limit the number of conversos and to know who were conversos.

Loyola had converse co-workers, such as Juan Alfonso de Polanco and Jeronimo Nadal. When Loyola died, as the new supreme general was elected a converso, Diego Laynez. His closest men were conversos: Juan Alfonso de Polanco, Jeronimo Nadal and Christobal de Madrid.

Laynez still did not allow conversos to become the majority of new admissions, but under the third supreme general, Francisco de Borja (of the family of Pope Alexander VI and Cesare Borgia) the Jesuit Order become to be seen as a Jewish Synagogue. Conversos had made a complete take-over of the Society.

After Borje died, there was the counterstrike. Italian and Portuguese anti-converso lobby, most prominent being Benedetto Palmio, managed to elect Everard Mercurian as the fourth supreme general and after him Claudio Acquaviva. Under these generals the Jesuit Order pushed conversos from leading roles and stopped admission of new conversos.

The purity of blood rule was mitigated in 1608, but conversos never gained back the power that they had obtained in the early years.

That was until the 20th century.

The study describes the actions of Acquaviva. He asked his trusted men, many of whom were anti-converso, to give opinions what should be improved in the Society.

These opinions presented converted Jews as troublemakers, who should not be accepted to the Society. In 1590 Acquaviva gave secret orders to Spanish provincials to exclude New Christians from jobs that were very visible to the outside world, as their presence irritated Spanish nobles. Acquaviva did not at this point ban all of Jewish origins from joining the Society.

Three years later, in 1593, Acquaviva imposed the Limpieza de sangre, which made it impossible for New Christians to join Jesuits.

Markys suggests the reason was that memorialistas had tried a revolt against the way Acquaviva ruled the Society. The memorialistas were a group of Spanish Jesuits, largely conversos, who were sending secret memorandums to the Spanish crown, the Inquisition and the Pope in order to get the supreme general of Jesuits (Mercurian and Acquaviva) change his orders. It was a rebel in a military order like that of Jesuits.

Whether the problem of conversos was only that they gained power in the Society, or were the conversos also leading the Society in a non-Christian spirit, is not well answered by Markys. It is explained that Palmio thought that New Christians were still Jews and;

“overly ambitious, insolent, Janus-faced, pretentious, despotic, astute, terrible, greedy for power, and infamous”, and that “the neophytes want to dominate everywhere and this is why the Society is agitated by the tempest of discords and acrimonies”, and that “all their and our evils proceeded from neophytes and especially from those who governed in Rome”. "Being children of this world, pompous, cunning, fake, self-seeking, etc.,it is certain that they fit religious life very badly and that it is impossible to maintain union with them. If those of this blood are made superiors, they employ almost all their government in external things: they promote genuine mortification and solid virtues very little and seem to be merchants, seeking first seats and being called rabbis; they are hardly eager to seek perfection that is described in the parts 5 and 6 of the Constitutions; and readily admit others of the same blood who are very unworthy.”

People like Greg Szymanski is the cream of anti-Jesuitism, he blames black-pope and jesuits for everything: JFK, murder of Pope, 9/11 and future nuking Iran.

Szymanski is a disinfo agent and he is a professed jew so this may be his religious agenda. Recently you praised the racist 'Southern Israelite' who is a Freemason, which, makes sense, even if unintentional, because Jews and Freemasons hate Jesuits.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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Bullshit.

I guess all those hundreds of archives I read were all fake then?

Why are you defending Cabalist Jews? Such Jews, including Talmudics and naturalist racial Zionists are the antithesis of God. Which is probably why you hold the theories of Barry Chamish and rabbi Antelmen.

The Jews weren't even allowed to be part of the order until much later...

There were many Jewish converts from the very beginning of the Jesuit incorporation...

  • St. Íñigo López de Oñaz y Loyola, aka Ignatius of Loyola (Basque, although Ignatius self identified as Cantabrian in one of his letters ; and other scholars said he had Jewish ancestry.)

  • St. Pierre Favre (Savoyard ; possibly Jewish but converted)

  • Diego Laínez (Spanish, of Jewish ancestry)

Polanco, was also of Jewish descent and was good friends with Loyola, although he was a follower of Christ and not a Jew.

The Jesuit Markys wrote that 4 out of the 7 initial members of the incorporation were Jewish converts but professed Christ and preached the gospel.

Markys had demonstrated, in a groundbreaking study, titled 'The Jesuit Order as the Synagouge of Satan,' how crypto-Jews infiltrated key positions in the Jesuit Order, resorting to nepotism in order to eventually establish a monopoly on top positions that extended to the Vatican. King Phillip II of Spain called the Order a “Synagogue of Hebrews.”

Lacunza, was no exception. He was a Jew and introduced the eschatological teaching of a return to the Jewish animal sacrifices during the Millennium. (In a book titled The Coming of the Messiah in Glory and Majesty published in 1812, 11 years after the death of its author, a Jesuit.)

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Now because I know you think Christ is fake and that the Jesuits are everything bad under the sun, and deny the marrano campain to infiltrate the church (which they are winning) and openly proclaim "Jesuits hate Jews because of their Tribalism and naturalism," it then makes sense that you're likely Jewish.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

And you show your histrionic insanity again. I'm probably the most hardcore Holocaust Denier conspiracist out there and you accuse me of not criticizing Jews or being one myself? Does anyone that doesn't agree with you a Jew then?

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

When you claim I'm not human you are following naturalistic Judaeo-masonic materialism, specifically targeted at Christians. I never claimed you were a Jew—and Holocaust denial is beside the the point... Hitler was no friend to the Christians (read OSS report)—however, in the past you were mad that I mentioned Talmudists in a bad light. Had you not in the post below basically call me a subhuman I might not have had the opinion that you are expousing very much the same views supremacist Jews spew.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

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I think everything /u/HibikiBlack notes about Jesuits and Jews is accurate, and not indicative of his religious faith. It's just history. Both of you would likely agree on much of that history. You both know that it was fundamental for Jesuits to convert all non-believers to Christianity, and this of course included Jews, many of whom were therefore forced to become New Christians. But the New Christians were still considered Jews. New names given to them were often the place names where they lived. And of course Jesuits have to work witihn the political structures they find themselve in around the globe. So a communist Jesuit in Cuba is not surprising in the least. I am not sure I contributed anything useful here, as I've not read the entire thread.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Well, he basically called me a subhuman indicative of Jewish supremacism.

Jesuits and Jews is accurate, and not indicative of his religious faith.

Considering he parrots disinformation from Southern Israelite, Edmond Paris, a Freemason; as well as Jack Chick and a various other Zionist disinformationists and racists; though he is probably doing this unintentionally, he seems to forget that their are many sides of Judaism and Catholicism.

It's just history. Both of you would likely agree on much of that history.

Not if he parrots rabbi Antelmen and Barry Chamish theories. And his first statement is wrong... that Jews were not allowed into the Jesuit order until modern times. That is completely false.

The question then becomes how does Hibs define a Jew? Becuase that determination will reveal why he says that "no Jew was allowed in the order."

You both know that it was fundamental for Jesuits to convert all non-believers to Christianity, and this of course included Jews, many of whom were therefore forced to become New Christians.

Yes, indeed, but for the most part Jesuits showed piety and were humble in heart. Many Jews converted and preached the gospel far and wide and were persecuted because of it. During this time many wealthy Jews held Christians as slaves especially centuries before during the Visigoth reign when the black shield Jews circumcised their Christian slaves.

But the New Christians were still considered Jews. New names given to them were often the place names where they lived. And of course Jesuits have to work witihn the political structures they find themselve in around the globe. So a communist Jesuit in Cuba is not surprising in the least. I am not sure I contributed anything useful here, as I've not read the entire thread.

New Christians were not considered Jews, only that they had Jewish ancestry. It was Marranos who professed Christianity but like many Zionist Jews today, worked to destroy the order.

So a communist Jesuit in Cuba is not surprising in the least.

But modern Jesuits are not Catholic Jesuits. I agree with this, that they do find themselves in positions where they must work with the structures in which the preach but Catholic encyclicals are totally against communism and Nazism; only after Vatican 2 did things change.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Oh - I hadn't noticed the insult part. I suppose I am so used to reading them on Saidit that I barely see them anymore.

Thanks for these points, which I think are pefectly clear about the broader history of Jesuit and Jewish engagements. There were also major differences in different countries. For example, Papal protection of Jews in Provence from the 13th century until the late 18th century might also be considered in this context.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And again, this:

Suppression of Jesuits after the attempt of Marranos to take over which was defeated by blood purity laws, was done for a different reason. The Judaeo-masonic masons campaigned against Jesuits, who were the intellectual defenders of the Catholic belief, which was opposed by incorporated 'freethinkers' like Freemasons. Many countries that were structured on masonic-naturalism banned Jesuits because of this criticism, but the original reason for this criticism seems to be that Jesuits tried to help American Indians who were put to slave work and exploited by Portuguese.

Is not bull*hit.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

All this said, your first statememt is historically inaccurate.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And I should mention, the mid 20th centuey, until now, is when the Church was taken over nearly completely.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Jews were allowed high positions of power in Spain...Certain Jews even became Viziers in Spain which is a very high-ranking political minister. Like Samuel Ibn Naghrillah who was also a Talmudic scholar, his position gave him control over the Muslim army for 17 years. His son Joseph Ibn Naghrela succeeded him as vizier. Joseph married the daughter of Nissim Ben Jacob, A Talmudic Rabbi. So we're not dealing here with faithful Muslims or secular Jews, but very religious Jews of the worst kind, many of whom held and circumcised their slaves; who reached one of the highest positions of power in Spain, and this just shows how much influence and power they had in Spain under so-called 'Muslim rule'."