"Return on Investment", that is the core value of Capitalism. And that builds directly on Usury (interest). The idea that those poor pathetic ultra rich make a huge sacrifice by lending some of their absurd wealth. And to be 'compensated' for that.

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[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I don't see anywhere that this is the core value of Capitalism or any other ism for that matter is what you say it is.

Capitalism can work without usury just fine. It will be slower, but more stable.

I sort of agree here, however, the money itself is a debt bearing loan, all of it, even the money you invest.

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the money itself is a debt bearing loan

A debt that has never been taken, isn't meant to be returned, can be canceled at will, and isn't recognized as a debt by both parties, isn't really a debt. These debt-like mechanics are just a hidden tax plus some additional means of corruption for the federal government.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Amd yet, the taxpayer is used as collateral as the state goes more and more into debt.

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Citizens' reputation is the true collateral. This debt is too big to repay. And reputation is too valuable to lose. The plan is, make everyone a debtor, then cancel all debt simultaneously. When everyone has a bad reputation, no one has it.

[–]Jesus[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Problem is debt really isn't owned to any other debtor, if that makes sense. They'd rather have you think that however. That way the people in a class are pitted against each other.