Tulsi Gabbard on GETTR: I get the feeling some people are using Joe Rogan's COVID interview as a pretext to silence his voice because he's not woke. Zealots of wokeism try to censor voices who don't agree with theirs, because they fear the absurdity and weakness of their positions will be exposed.

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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

I would agree that Ivermectin is worth considering for treatments. The problem with discussions of it in the context of vaccine discussions is that there are anti-vax propagandists and their followers who promote it as the alternative to the vaccine. This is comparing treatment (during infection) with prevention (to help build antibodies before infection, and thereby become less of a danger to others). Thus what's best for a community is to help them develop antibodies without having to get COVID. Those who promote ivermectin are often promoting an option to avoid vaccines, thereby putting others in danger. And though you can get COVID after vaccination, you are less likely in that case to seriously suffer, and would have those minor symptoms for a brief period, and thereby would be less likely to spread the virus while infected.

[–]Antarchomachus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Agree with you socks. It looks like Rogan has said a few wrong things too, but I think SOME of these issues are more nuanced than the MSM is allowing, and dismissing all of it as misinformation is not really fair

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yes - the responses to him seem to focus only on his approaches to COVID, rather than the bigger picture, and I have to admit I know less about his other interviews, but will see if there is more on them in due course. I listened to Rogan when he discussed sports, long ago, and I still think that this is his area, rather than voicing his opinions about why we should mistrust medical science.

[–]Antarchomachus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm in agreement with a lot of what you are saying. Joe Rogan would certainly not be my preferred oracle of truth.

To me the important points are about Dr. Robert Malone. This guy has the original patents for the RNA transfection method used for these MRNA vaccines and is a credible expert in immunology. He was booted from Twitter and other platforms essentially for having a different opinion than Fauci, and I applaud Rogan using his platform to fight the censorship of a credible expert.

Thats what this is about to me. There are very very well respected experts in the field that disagree with various aspects of the Covid policy (Dr Battarchaya, from Stanford, Kulldorf from Harvard, etc) and are being censored. This is not how science works, experts don't always agree.

To me this is about Rogan using his platform in a way that encourages scientific dialogue, although he certainly hasn't been perfect. You could also say Joe BIden spread misinformation when he said "If you take this vaccine you won't get Covid", as the experts already knew these vaccines were not sterilizing by this point. So I don't think it's fair to hold Rogan to a standard of perfection either.

Anyways appreciate that are willing to have a reasonable discussion, I am always happy to do so

[–]Antarchomachus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I would also add this: CNN and the CDC has spread at least as many untruths as Joe Rogan (including that Ivermectin is 'dangerous horse medicine'), and nobody is talking about censoring them. If the damn authorities would stop blowing smoke up everyones ass, we would not need the ex host of 'Fear Factor' to get involved, which is rather unfortunate Ill admit

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

I would agree that Ivermectin is worth considering for treatments.

I'm proud of you man. Brave and bold.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

The first trials began last November:

https://med.umn.edu/news-events/nation%E2%80%99s-first-ivermectin-clinical-trial-now-50-percent-enrolled

And there are other options for treatment that are being studied as we speak. I don't know much about the results. Hopefully the discussions about treatments can remain disconected from discussions about the importance of vaccination, as the former reduces one's need for the latter, and most importantly, reduces transmission (doesn't stop transmission). (Thanks for the kind words, and hopefully this response is not considered annoying, as I know you don't like the vaccine.)

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

Yawn, the vaxes don't work, the stats are clear. If everyone will catch omicron, then everyone needs medical knowledge about treatment beyond mismatched vax anti-bodies*. Which the MSM and Fauci have never offered. Which hospitals have generally not offered.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Stats show that the vaccines have helped people build antibodies, which lead to a reduction of the spread, until the next strain - omicron. This too will have a bell curve in the stats.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

Did you just admit the vaxes have very limited efficacy against omicron? That's what it looks like to me as well: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Omicron required another dose. With the initial spread of omicron, the advice was to get a booster shot ASAP, as this would help with the effectiveness of the vaccines. (3 shots are more effective than 2 shots in preparation for omicron.)

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/1/22/boosters-90-effective-against-omicron-hospitalisations-study

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Israel was well into their 3rd or 4th shot when this GIGANTIC SPIKE OF CASES happened.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I trust absolutely nothing reported by the government-controlled Israeli news media

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You bitch about non credible sources every day, so I show you the single most cited COVID stats of the last 2 years, and you deny those too. Not fair.

You can substitute Israel with the US, the same trend holds. It's holding worldwide. Covid vaxes don't stop omicron spread. Duh asshole.

[–]BossBrick 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

there is not anti vax propaganda

[–]chottohen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is all true.