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[–]RedEyedWarrior 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You've just described by adolescence. I had same sex attractions since I was 14, but I was almost 18 when I finally acknowledged I was gay. I believed there was no way I could be gay because I wasn't camp or effeminate. But I had zero interest in women. I befriended a girl when I was 16 and my family and friends joked about her being my girlfriend, which made me extremely comfortable for some reason. I assumed it was just because I was a late bloomer, or that my friend wasn't my type. After all, I had male friends who I wasn't attracted to, right? But I wasn't attracted to any of the girls at my school, but some of the boys. It became obvious to me that I liked males at 17, but it took months for me to acknowledge I had no interest in women.

Ironically, I am more masculine now than I was as a teenager. I do not mind camp gay characters on TV and film, but it does bother me whenever all of the gay characters are camp. Who says we have to be camp? I probably would have realised I was gay sooner if I'd seen masculine gay men on TV.

[–]Newzok 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Very similar to me, bro. I didn't even like guys my age but way older bearish guys. They never mentioned that stuff in sex ed, so it was very confusing. No role models, nothing. I came out to myself at age 18, realising I'd made myself miserable and paranoid beating myself up about it for the last five years. It was like a weight off my shoulders.

Campness is a relic from earlier days when it might have been the only way to communicate to others in the know and you needed cultural signifiers. Interpersonally I don't mind it, it's like being "street" in a sense. But it's without doubt an affectation; it's really counterproductive that people think it's an innate characteristic of being gay. As if we're something halfway to trannies, you know? Which is really the complete opposite.

[–]RedEyedWarrior 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'd say the majority of gay men are masculine. You see the camp ones more often because they cannot hide their orientations, whereas masculine gay men don't show it unless they do so on purpose. I also had no gay role models, so I make do with the straight role models in my life, such as my dad, uncles and cousins. The idea that a gay man has to be camp is absurd.