Rumble vs Elon Musk

submitted by MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee from (self.WayOfTheBern)

sorted by:
new (suggested)
topinsightfulfun
you are viewing a single comment's thread.

view the rest of the comments →

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

So if I'm understanding what it says at your links, Keet is comparable to Discord and Nostr is comparable to Twitter and Telegram?

There's been several discussions in the past about moving WOTB to a decentralized platform but that's a lot easier said than done. Finding one that members would be willing to migrate to, for starters, with a UI that's similar to Reddit/SaidIt or that at least doesn't have a steep learning curve. Most of us are total noobz when it comes to this stuff.

[–]ageingrockstar 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The key difference between Keet & nostr on one side, and Discord, Twitter, Telegram, Reddit & Saidit on the other side is that the first two do not run on servers. All communication (text, video, audio, shared files and even payments) goes directly between the parties involved (2 or more). This is somewhat technically tricky (the technique is called 'holepunching' in that you 'punch' a 'hole' through the net to allow a direct link) but it's very powerful and very liberating. If you're familiar with the bittorrent protocol and torrents, they do this - files are shared directly between 'seeds' and 'leeches', they don't pass through any third party's servers.

Because you're not going through servers, performance is actually much better. To take an example, if you want to communicate with someone in the next room on telegram, your message will have to go through a telegram server possibly on another continent, even when the person is just metres away. With Keet & nostr, your message will only need to follow the shortest path on the internet. With a text message that's not so big a deal. With video and sharing files it is a big deal to have to pass through servers and means there are limits imposed on video resolution and file sizes. And then obviously you have far better security in that you're not going through a third party's server. But finally, the service that you're using is not having to pay for running servers; which means there's no need for the service to compromise itself by finding a 'monetisation solution' to pay for the servers. And because they are open protocols, you're not relying on one party to run the service.

I hope that sheds some more light on these two protocols and their common approach. With regards to moving WOTB, I wouldn't be suggesting that right now. They're both new (from just this year) and still need to be refined somewhat, but they're also undergoing very rapid development so I think 2024 would be the time to look properly at them. Keet (which I follow more closely) is currently undergoing an extensive rewrite to facilitate 'big rooms' that will allow thousands in a shared meeting space; you can appreciate with everyone connecting directly this can be somewhat tricky but I'm confident that they will achieve it. That rewrite has been promised to appear in the next 2 months. The happy thing, for me at least, is that my experience with these two protocols has shown that server-less platforms are possible and work well, and that they are very rapidly getting to a place that will allow popular uptake.

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I want to save this comment to our Tech convos collection so I/we can find it more easily in the future. How would you title it to give explorers an idea of what it's about?

I am only slightly familiar with bittorrent, I think I shared a few files that way eons ago. I imagine the tech is light years beyond what it was then.

[–]ageingrockstar 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just updating this conversation to drop a link to this recent article :

https://planb.lugano.ch/can-freedom-truly-be-free/

Which provides a good summary of the current issues with the server based, advertising supported model for social media, and talks about how Keet / Holepunch has implemented a liberating solution (from tech tyranny).

Keet's recently moved into Beta. I've been testing it on mobile and it's shown a lot of progress from the Alpha build (which was already pretty good). For example, I'm in a chat room that has more than 500 members and the discussion is easily shared by keet across all the members' phones (with transmission in encrypted form). No servers involved; no trust in or resources needed from a (corporate) third party. However it's still undergoing constant development and weekly updates, up to a proposed full release in February of next year, so for now best for ppl happy to be beta testers (and ppl keen to get a taste of a liberating technology)

With the issues that Saidit is facing, the value of the 'never on a server' motto has been made more clear. If you're not running on servers then there's nothing for a Distributed Denial of Service attack to attack. (The constant cloudflare prompts show that saidit is under a DDOS attack, which has been kept up for some time now.)