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[–]LeftyBoyo67Tired of Dem Pefidy 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

If Biden and his cronies decide to escalate enough to require a draft, we're all in deep shit. "No draft" was one of the things that helped maintain public support and avoid scrutiny during the two Gulf Wars. They've got the bamboozled public flying Ukrainian flags, but they'd need a serious "Remember the Maine!" or Gulf of Tonkin incident to pull off a draft. Losing a carrier in the Black Sea would do it, though.

[–]captainramen🇺🇸🛠️ MAGA Communist 🛠️🇺🇸 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

None of that is going to happen. Carriers are not even allowed in. Relax

People who go to the gym are not going to fight for globohomo. What are they going to do, send blue hairs to round them up? Never gonna happen

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

Mercy, perish the thought. But even if they pulled something like that, who would they draft without encountering stiff resistance - I don't think the Ukraine flag-wavers are as numerous as they've been presented to be - and how long before they got them trained enough and what would they send them into battle with, and how would they get them there without having the ships carrying them and any equipment destroyed by Russian submarines? Because if all those things came to pass they would be clear signs the US was openly at war with Russia and all bets would be off. The government has been squandering the public's trust for decades now and spent the last few years destroying their lives and livelihoods; I think (and hope) there's limits beyond which even blue-check liberals ain't willing to go.

BTW, I was just reading this piece by Andrew Cockburn that shows what an unholy mess the military is, including this tidbit:

the U.S. Air Force is abandoning its traditional role of protecting and coordinating with troops on the ground, otherwise known as Close Air Support, or CAS. Given its time-honored record of bombing campaigns that had little or no effect on the course of wars, CAS has probably been the only useful function (grudgingly) performed by the service.

[–]rondeuce40DC Is Wakanda For Assholes 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

A draft at this stage would become another issue of time not being on the side of the west. It takes years of military training to get a soldier to combat readiness. If their planning for a war with Russia is anything like their planning for prepping Ukraine (which was sanctions), these draftees would get limited training and fed into tge meat grinder like all the rest. The US is producing something like 80k 150mm shells a year which is enough to supply Ukraine for a month. Stingers and Javelins take even longer to produce and their reserves have been burned through already. US soldiers coming home in body bags would have people yanking those Ukrainian flags off their Twitter bios real quick.

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Exactly. And I think people would be turning against the Ukraine war long before the body bags, we haven't had a draft in, what, 50 years? It's easy to cheerlead a war when you've got no skin in the game, which is what we saw with the Iraq war - all the "support our troops' magnets on the bumpers of SUVs and the flag lapel pins warn by just about every politician because none of them had kin putting their lives on the line. They'd all be kicking and screaming and demanding deferments for the privileged class if a draft was instituted.

[–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I would've loved it if Trump had given the same answer about his deferments as he did about his taxes.

"Yeah, I skipped them. All these politicians and their families and their friends skip them through a system they set up that lets them do it. So I did too. And you know what? That makes me smart."

Can you imagine the howls?

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Because they're too stupid to realize that trying to do a gotcha with him on something they're guilty of themselves is not going to end well.

[–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

This is what makes me think (albeit unwillingly) that Trump might be the cleanest president in living memory.

Why is it so difficult for them to put him away? They clearly want to. And they're clearly not pulling punches to avoid looking like hypocrites. That ship sailed years ago.

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why is it so difficult for them to put him away?

It does beg the question. They underestimated Trump's willingness to keep fighting back and they underestimated the intelligence of voters who knew Russiagate was utter BS from the get-go - not just Trump voters but Bernie voters who were called Putin puppets by their dumbass VBNMW followers because we refused to vote for Hillary. Then they compounded this stupidity by doubling down again and again and again. All they've managed to do is show us how stupid, corrupt and lawless they are.

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    [–]LeftyBoyo67Tired of Dem Pefidy 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It's because Trump plays the populist. He critiques the political system from the outside and calls out shit that everyone knows or suspects to be true, but that politicians lie about all day long. People don't care when he's wrong or even an asshole because he's still the only guy in the room willing to call out bullshit and possibly do something about it. He'll continue to be popular as long as he does so. People are desperate for change.

    [–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Right? I mean, couldn't they at least dirty him up a bit so it sticks? Was he really the only real estate developer in NYC in the '80s who wasn't doing business with the mob?

    [–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    It takes years of military training to get a soldier to combat readiness

    It also costs somewhere around $1.5m per when you factor in lifetime benefits. $100k just to put a man on the field.

    Good luck selling that to any Congress on the scale of a draft.

    [–]rondeuce40DC Is Wakanda For Assholes 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Money is no object to Congress when it comes to war. That's why they approved 45B more than what Joey B asked for when they did the military budget this year.

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      [–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Great point, no need to worry about trauma care, evac, or limb replacement if you just feed people directly into a meatgrinder. Win-win!

      [–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

      I'm not sure what we'd draft people to do. I think it would be more of a hurdle to manufacture enough weapons platforms to occupy that many people in short order; I mean, we can't even supply the Ukrainians without dipping into cluster bomb stockpiles. And it's not like carriers are going to be useful in state-level warfare again.

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        [–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Oh, right. Well of course we should definitely invade Russia. Third time's the charm!

        [–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

        All good points. Someone reported recently that the F-16s are once again (unofficially) a no-go because the prospect of having these shot down by Russia's superior air defense systems would do massive damage to weapons industry profits. I would guess the same rationale would apply to having the US military's ass handed to them in a real peer-to-peer conflict, as they are in no way prepared for that kind of fight in terms of manpower or weaponry, never mind the logistics of getting them there and keeping them supplied.

        [–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        And just saw this from The Dossier:

        Confidential Biden DOD memo reveals "transgender" service members can skip deployments and receive indefinite physical fitness/standards waivers

        Service members who identify as transgender will be considered “non-deployable” for up to 300 days while taking hormones for their “transition” period. Again, given that these hormones are often required for life, this may render the transgender identifying service member as permanently unable to deploy.

        The United States military is facing its worst recruiting environment since 1973, when the conscription era ended and the current all-volunteer force was formed. As the Defense Department memo makes clear, the U.S. military in 2023 represents more of a social welfare and social justice program than an entity purposed with defeating an aggressing army.

        [–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        Everyone who said this would happen was being called a bigot like 5 seconds ago.

        [–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Still will be is my guess. Facts and evidence don't make irrational people rational.