The Satanic Temple challenges new Texas abortion law citing religious freedom
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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 2 years ago (5 children)
It's not an analogy of church and state, it's the legal precident to AVOID a church and state analogy. The Bible isn't part of the discussion, if we want to consider the law, democracy, and Roe v. Wade. Yes, there are laws against murder, and Roe v Wade was agreed upon for a Federal law that legalized abortion, which is for the benefit of the living. If "life begins at conception", or with a beating heard, or with the first brain activity, or at the end of the 1st trimester, Roe v Wade confirmed that none of these definitions of 'life' can be applied to the law regarding abortion. Why separate church and state? Because you cannot legislate morality. You can however legislate criminal activity, which Roe v Wade determined did not apply to many abortions. Who had safe hospital abortions before Roe v Wade? Rich people. Who risked their lives with dodgy methods for illegal abortions? Poor people, and the middle-classes. Don't use a church and state analogy, unless you want to promote theocratic rule. And if you want a theocracy, look at the shitty situations theocracies are in. The vast majority of their constituents are absolutely miserable.
[–]Zapped 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun - 2 years ago (4 children)
You made the analogy that Christian extremism was solely behind anti-abortion laws and that Roe vs Wade was to separate Church and State. Own it.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analogy
[–]Zapped 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 2 years ago (2 children)
The analogy between a) Roe vs Wade is a law that separates Church and State and b) a legal ruling that separates Church and State.
[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 2 years ago (1 child)
I see. That's much clearer. Sorry I misunderstood. I did not see my comments as making this specific analogy. But I'll have a go. First, there is the 1st Amendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...
Next there is Roe v Wade:
One reason it successfully arranged for reproductive freedom is because of the legal requirement of church-state separation, for reasons discussed here.
Thus: Roe v Wade is RELATED TO the law that separates Church and State, becaus Churches would otherwise get politicians to overturn any legislation that offers reproductive freedom.
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I think we'll have to disagree on this diluted tangent to the main discussion.
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