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[–]makesyoudownvote 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks man, that feels great to hear.

Yeah, I really don't hate trans people, nor do I deny they exist. I know people who have transitioned and are living their best lives and are now relatively well adjusted. Some of these people, I never would have guessed in a million years.

I hate the movement because it's harming everyone imo, including LGBTQIA+ people.

I hate that gender questioning people are encouraged into life altering decisions. I want the care to be accessible, but when we have a surge like we do now it's dangerous, especially with shrinking birth rates.

One of the strongest arguments imo for LGBT rights has been we were overpopulated. We still are, but 1st world countries like the US all now have shrinking birthrates. This is not the time to be overly focused on LGBT issues. Let them be, but don't push it too hard is all.

I hate that we are all told if we don't 100% just accept them as being not just the gender, but the biological sex associated with said gender, we are bigots. It reminds me of the there are four lights torture scene in Star Trek.

I hate that the quality of discussion is so limited because it's an ever changing maze of acceptable conversation points that are designed specifically to ensure an end conclusion regardless of whether or not it's valid. If it were valid it could stand up to some scrutiny. There is a difference between having this discussion online which really should be a safe space (in the opposite direction of what they consider a "safe space") for debate and intellectual exercise. We should be able to say anything that isn't a direct call to violence or violating someone's personal information online. We should be able to state opinions no matter how controversial. Hate the Jews? Ok online is your place to vent that without much in the way of real world consequences. I don't, and I fight regularly with people on this site about it, but I think they should be allowed to talk it out and I should be allowed to issue my counterpoints, and not just scoff or ban.

I hate that the downsides of transitioning are downplayed to the point of sounding more like a miracle cure to any form of identity crisis rather than a process that comes with real and serious downsides. Some of them are social and forcing people to pretend like it doesn't bother them isn't going to fix that. Some of them are just inescapable. Messing with your hormones will cause mood swings in 99.99% of cases even with expert medical care. Having surgery will basically cut your ability to enjoy sex down to near nothing. Your health with get worse in either circumstance. You will never be able to get particularly close to being the opposite sex in any way much more significant than cosmetic, and if somehow a medical breakthrough happens in the next few years that can get you there or close, chances are pretty good that whatever you did before invalidate your candidacy for that procedure or at least make it more difficult.

I hate that they separated sex and gender, yet refuse to put in the leg work to define gender in any meaningful way, furthermore they cancel people who make any real effort even if it is intended to be inclusive.

Side note: I actually like the distinction between sex and gender and see some potential value in distinguishing the two. In my mind sex is like hardware gender is like an OS. It's a set of rules, protocols, conventions and guides to a system designed to be optimized for a particular set of hardware. It gives you a set of options on how to act and others a set of familiar protocols on how to treat you, all designed to work best for your body. A female can be a man much the way a PC can run OSX, but she is going to run into a lot of stability issues, and she will miss out on all the advanced features that make a Mac unique. People won't always know how to treat her and that's no one's fault but hers for choosing to mess around with things that are mostly going to make the user experience worse. This example has gotten me banned from reddit for not being inclusive enough. Yes really. To all the people on this site that probably seems like bending over backwards to accommodate them.