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[–]LyingSpirit472 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

And institutionalization is effectively killing the minor as well, since if they're institutionalized, there is no "tried as a minor, rubber stamp, you're 17 years, 364 days old the day you're convicted for raping an infant then you'll only serve one day in jail for it and go free" get out of jail free clause there. They keep you there until they decide you're sane, which will likely be "never." You'll be in the mental institution and be in there for the rest of your life- and it'll be a natural lifespan to boot since the institution will do everything to keep you from ending yourself to get rid of it up to and including feeding you like a baby bird if you choose to stop eating and drinking to starve yourself to death (and the Heimlich if you try to choke on it when they do), effectively giving a minor an even harsher punishment than the woodchipper.

[–]NormalPear 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Man, I'm going to be honest with you. This obsession with woodchippers and minors doesn't look good. A minor who commits a crime, is still a minor.

If they're institutionalized, at least they have a chance to get treated. If it doesn't work, at least it could be seen as a step forward (in testing) on how to treat this form of illness. Especially when it starts popping up in other minors. Since you can't just up and kill minors who are pedophiles. They haven't committed the crime. It would be injustice, and oxymoron to say you're for "child safety," when in reality, it's just children you deem "acceptable" to life and human rights.

[–]LyingSpirit472 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Since you can't just up and kill minors who are pedophiles. They haven't committed the crime.

Mask off, if you say they haven't committed the crime, then you are going past "yep, a kid who's 17 years, 364 days old on the day he's convicted for raping an infant should be let free in 24 hours" and going straight to "give a pedophile who's a minor the key to the city."

It would be injustice, and oxymoron to say you're for "child safety," when in reality, it's just children you deem "acceptable" to life and human rights.

Again, some kids can do absolute atrocities. Some kids can be just plain evil. You'd probably let school shooters go free on their 18th birthday with a hug and take them out for frosty chocolate milkshakes too, aww come on, all they did was kill some kids, that's why pencils have erasers, am I right?

[–]NormalPear 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Incomparable, hun. A 17 year old pedophile, only minor by law, knows the difference between wrong and right compared to a 14/15 year old pedophile. Both of them, unless committing the crime, haven't committed a crime not could be arrested for anything. Unless you support imprisonment for thoughtcrime.

Acknowledging the ages doesn't equal letting them off "Scott free" lol. By that logic, the laws we use now is letting minors off "free."

Again, some kids can do absolute atrocities. Some kids can be just plain evil. You'd probably let school shooters go free on their 18th birthday with a hug and take them out for frosty chocolate milkshakes too, aww come on, all they did was kill some kids, that's why pencils have erasers, am I right?

Again, obsession ain't looking good. There's a reason why we have the laws today regarding minors, and how to treat them compared to adults. Good thing you're not in charge of it. Wanting to kill minors ain't a healthy mindset, nor would be looked at with approval.

[–]LyingSpirit472 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Incomparable, hun. A 17 year old pedophile, only minor by law, knows the difference between wrong and right compared to a 14/15 year old pedophile. Both of them, unless committing the crime, haven't committed a crime not could be arrested for anything. Unless you support imprisonment for thoughtcrime.

But the 17 year old is technically a minor by the laws. They can't vote, can't drink, can't drive on their own, they're a helpless child. By saying there's a difference, by your "any child who commits a crime should get the Congressional Medal of Honor and the BIGGEST hug possible!" claims, you're just as evil as you claim I am by saying the 17 year, 364 day old kid who shoots up his school shouldn't get one day in jail. You might even be worse than me, at least I ADMIT IT.

Acknowledging the ages doesn't equal letting them off "Scott free" lol. By that logic, the laws we use now is letting minors off "free."

If you're acknowledging the ages, then you have to admit that there's some crimes a minor can do which require imprisonment for longer than just "they turned 18, all is forgiven!" Kids can and do murder- shit, a kid who was a family friend turned out to be one of the most notorious serial killers in my state's history, so I know full well kids can commit atrocities that can never be forgiven.

Again, obsession ain't looking good. There's a reason why we have the laws today regarding minors, and how to treat them compared to adults. Good thing you're not in charge of it. Wanting to kill minors ain't a healthy mindset, nor would be looked at with approval.

Just because someone's a kid doesn't mean they're ready for society just because of an arbitrary day on the calendar. And for some crimes, they NEVER will be. To not accept that makes you a monster. I don't care what else you do in life, you're a monster. You could run an orphanage for bunnies and you're just making the bunnies monsters.

[–]NormalPear 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You might even be worse than me, at least I ADMIT IT.

Sure, bud. I'm not the one advocating to kill minors, but apparently that makes someone worse kek.

there's some crimes a minor can do which require imprisonment for longer than just "they turned 18, all is forgiven!" Kids can and do murder- shit, a kid who was a family friend turned out to be one of the most notorious serial killers in my state's history, so I know full well kids can commit atrocities that can never be forgiven.

Sure, the differences still remain and will be judged individually by law. Because that's how it should be. Typically, children don't know right and wrong. That's why it is important to judge them differently from close-to-adults and adults.

Just because someone's a kid doesn't mean they're ready for society just because of an arbitrary day on the calendar. And for some crimes, they NEVER will be. To not accept that makes you a monster. I don't care what else you do in life, you're a monster. You could run an orphanage for bunnies and you're just making the bunnies monsters.

Again, thank God you're not in charge. People who adovcate to kill children aren't seen as heroes. Especially in prisons, if you commit it yourself.

[–]LyingSpirit472 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Sure, bud. I'm not the one advocating to kill minors, but apparently that makes someone worse kek.

Yeah, you're the one advocating that if a kid commits a school shooting when he's 17 years, 364 days old, then the next day he's forgiven and given a great big hug and some frosty chocolate milkshakes because he turned 18 so all is forgiven! You are such a monster it's the same as if you commit school shootings yourself.

Think it's overreacting? It's not. A lot of kids do know right from wrong enough to know when they commit an atrocity, they know what they did is monstrous. And if they really AREN'T aware of right from wrong to believe murder/rape is wrong by the time most kids do these things, then they might be so mentally disturbed they need to be institutionalized for their own safety (PROTIP: Insanity convictions might be even worse than prison sentences.)

Again, thank God you're not in charge. People who adovcate to kill children aren't seen as heroes. Especially in prisons, if you commit it yourself.

Better that than a person who advocates to forgive children on their 18th birthday, literally no matter what they do or when they do it.

[–]NormalPear 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Be logical for once, hun. You keep projecting your thoughts onto me. A 17 year old will remain imprisoned. Even after they turn 18, and they would be registered as a sex offender.

Better that than a person who advocates to forgive children on their 18th birthday, literally no matter what they do or when they do it.

Sure, hun. Now, go place that opinion on a popular platform. Better yet? In public. Tell them that minors deserve to be killed. See how far that gets you.

[–]LyingSpirit472 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

But if you imprison them when they're 18, you're punishing a minor! Exactly what you vilify me for! Your own rule means that if they perform a crime at 11:59 before their 18th birthday, you have to give them a big hug and forgive them because, well, upon the second you turn 18 you obviously become fully enlightened to right and wrong.

Now, go place that opinion on a popular platform. Better yet? In public. Tell them that minors deserve to be killed. See how far that gets you.

Sure, I will on a popular platform, in public, on national TV, shout it from a mountaintop that a minor who commits an atrocity great enough to be tried as an adult may need capital punishment if it's brutal enough. Now, you do the same thing for saying that a mass shooter who's 17 years, 364 days old needs to be given a big hug, full forgiveness, and to be taken out for frosty chocolate milkshakes the next day like you say. Guaranteed yours gets you less far than mine would.

[–]NormalPear 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Oh lord, you're still hellbent on killing minors. That isn't a healthy mindset for an adult, more like a red flag.

Honey, telling people that minors deserve to get killed won't get you far. My solution, outside your wilful misinterpreting (since that's the only way you can get far with your schizo comments), minors get imprisoned. Lifetime. Since that typically what judges do anyways. Majority of people are fine with that.