SANITYSchools in England told by government to record sex as described on birth certificate only on official data submissions. Do not record “gender identity” or anything other than male or female.

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[–]Q-Continuum-kin 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

The speed at which the UK is pulling back on this is actually surprising.

[–]Wanderingthehalls 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

I think that Mumsnet allowing discussion of trans ideology is partly responsible for that. Even though any discussion on it was shoved off into it's own tiny forum and anything related to AGP used to get deleted, it was still one of the few very large forums that didn't completely stifle discussion. Considering the vast majority of users are women who want to get pregnant are pregnant or had given birth not too long before joining, it's membership is largely based around people with shared biological reality. It peaked a lot of British women early on and gave them a platform to keep talking about it. The threads by women who's husbands transed after their marriage is eye-opening for people who haven't ever considered how families are really affected.

It's where a lot of funding for some of the legal cases around trans issues has come from, as women who might have been frightened of being publicly out as 'terfs' were happy to quietly donate money to people taking cases or being prosecuted. Graham Linehan, Konstantin Kishin and other well known-ish people at the fore of the fight back post there at times. It's where a lot of political campaigns on local and national levels start off. And UK politicians know mumsnet is a hive of floating voters, so aren't always keen to dismiss it.

It's why TRAs needed to have control of sites like Reddit, Twitter, etc. And have tried hard to get mumsnet to completely shut down it's discussion, or campaigned advertisers to get them to withdraw advertising when mumsnet didn't capitulate enough. Allowing thousands of people to quietly discuss their forebodings without fear of losing friends or even possibly their income means that their nonsense falls down fast.

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Mumsnet has, since the days of Gordon Brown, become quite influential in Westminster, so it isn’t surprising that an issue that is discussed there is raised in Westminster. If Mumsnet had gone full-on Munchausen’s about children there could have been an entirely different outcome to the debate - especially with the way that Labour has mishandled the issue and has some actual zealots in amongst the Parliamentary party. Luckily, the women at Mumsnet were sceptical and dug into the issue when the mainstream media was cheerleading it. It really wasn’t until the Nolan podcast that the BBC broke ranks and started to question the Stonewall orthodoxy.

Obviously there were other places for sceptics to discuss, but Mumsnet is probably the most high profile and very difficult to dismiss as far-right NAZIs, which is what they’ve done to everyone else that’s stuck their head up or you know driven them to mental illness like Glinner.

[–]Musky༼⁠ ⁠つ⁠ ⁠◕⁠‿⁠◕⁠ ⁠༽⁠つ 🐈 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Luckily, the women at Mumsnet were sceptical and dug into the issue when the mainstream media was cheerleading it.

I supported transgenderism myself until I ended up spending a considerable amount of time with two trans identifying individuals. The way it's presented, that it's a tiny minority of people who just want to live their own lives, is compelling. What reasonable person would be against that. But obviously that's misleading. Transgenderism is a ridiculous social fad sucking people in and making them absolutely miserable, while the ideological activists shit on women and homosexuals, and anyone who dare question them.

[–]Femaleisnthateful 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah one of my peaking moments was encountering two clown-faced AGPs at a restaurant. Creepy as hell and throwing up red flags all over, but I already had enough self awareness to realize you don't dare call them out. I left feeling pissed off and offended and dropped any pretense of being an 'ally' that night.

[–]JulienMayfair 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My peaking moment was volunteering doing election poll greeting and ended up working with a huge man-in-a-dress who was obviously creeping everyone out (not what you want to do as a poll-greeter), and who spent all the time we weren't working talking about his laundry list of mental illnesses.

I just thought, "There is nothing about this person that would make anyone think he was a woman -- other than his putting on an ill-fitting dress and claiming to be one."

[–]The_Best_Yak_Ever 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

This. This is so my experience with modern trans craze types. I knew of one trans person before the nonsense took off. He transitioned to she, and then went on with her life. I know the family was devastated… something that always bothered me, but this person wasn’t out there constantly blabbing about it. They just wanted to move on.

My wife met a couple of the TRAs back in 2018 when it was really starting to blow up. What struck me is what losers these people were. They talk gender woo nonstop, go to the gender clinics for hormones and lead otherwise pretty miserable lives feeling like everyone is against them. I actually tried explaining once, that it’s just that no one cares about them and the constant badgering of everyone turns people off. So does the colorful attire, questionable hygiene, and single issue focus.

I don’t want to sound like a conceited asshole, but I’m a good looking guy. I’m tall, fit, and am used to getting plenty of attention. I bring this up, because what I instantly noticed was that not a single person in this odd little coven would be considered a 3 even on the best of days. They smelled bad, were overweight, wore tacky clothes, spoke in that awful “man impersonating a woman’s” voice, and had generally poor social skills… It struck me that it was all just copium. They were just regular losers trying to compensate and find an easy way to social success, instead of doing the work to get fit, learn to socialize, and strive to enjoy the lives they have instead of turning complaining about their lot into their entire personality…

[–]Musky༼⁠ ⁠つ⁠ ⁠◕⁠‿⁠◕⁠ ⁠༽⁠つ 🐈 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

lead otherwise pretty miserable lives feeling like everyone is against them

That really hits a chord. They spend their time imagining all sorts of victimization. We took a trans identified girl on a family vacation and we traveled some real redneck parts of the country. Nobody, and I mean absolutely nobody gave a shit. She worked herself up into fits worrying about imagined hate and violence that never manifested. It seems like a terrible way to go through life.

They were just regular losers trying to compensate and find an easy way to social success, instead of doing the work to get fit, learn to socialize,

I had thought of that too. Both of them are pretty plain people. Unattractive, unintelligent, and generally uninteresting. They adopted an identity that made them special. Although I'm not sure I agree they can simply fix it. Improve themselves, sure, but they only have so much to work with. Like lipstick on a pig.

[–]The_Best_Yak_Ever 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Touché… it actually does make me feel for them in that sense. Like, the ones I knew suffered from the same reality. No matter what you do, you’re a 79 Toyota Celica, and no amount of work will ever make you a Ferrari… but I have to imagine there are lots of average looking people living great lives, free of the self-imposed misery of the victimhood lifestyle. It’d be really depressing if not.

[–]Musky༼⁠ ⁠つ⁠ ⁠◕⁠‿⁠◕⁠ ⁠༽⁠つ 🐈 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Sad, isn't it? People doomed to be mediocre, or worse, their entire lives. Some win the genetic lottery and some don't. The transgender ideology is innately self terminating however, when everyone can be special by identifying as special, nobody is special, and worse, perverts and sickos denigrate the entire 'brand.' Not entirely unlike why stores often rather trash food than give it away to those in need, they don't want to associate their product with poverty. And transgenderism has got a lot worse associations than that.

[–]The_Best_Yak_Ever 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A friend and I were just talking about this… she’s someone who’s stunning… but we were talking about how to us, the world seems so friendly. Like, in our interactions with strangers from wait staff to cashiers, people are just generally nice to us! It’s easy to believe that the world, or at least, our place in it, is a decent place full of generally good people. When we brought in a guy friend of mine, we were shocked to learn what it’s like to “be invisible.”

I think when you dress up and act like a deranged clown, already primed to believe the world is chock full of sadists and bullies, it becomes the perfect self fulfilling prophecy. Paranoia will always find fuel to send itself into orbit. And when you believe the world is generally cruel, and look and talk like a crazy person, you will see exactly what you’re looking for, driving yourself further and further away from society and happiness, and closer and closer to the true social pariahs… those associations you mentioned. I think you’re right. Such a chain of behavior is ultimately self destructive and self terminating.

Jeez… now I feel sad. It’s not exactly comforting to ponder how you dodged a genetic bullet to the brain pan by sheer fucking luck, and how it colored your worldview. There but for the grace of god go I… dressed in a skirt… and demanding to be treated like a pretty princess… *shudders *

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Caught you admitting it again.

[–]Wanderingthehalls 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Mumsnet was where I was able to see my own doubts articulated and explained. I was able to ask questions and reason things out in a way that I wouldn't have been able to with people I knew in real life. And I got to see just how bad things are because it's honestly hard to believe that here in 2023, a species that is so smart and understands so much, is genuinely saying there are more than two sexes and ordering our society around obvious bullshit. I think it's so batshit, it's actually easy to think it isn't really happening, because how could it be? I wouldn't have gotten to where I am without it, and neither would many thousands of women. And most important to me personally, it's giving me guidance on how to protect my child. I mightn't even know that I had to without it.

It's also provided the most unexpected internet community link up ever to happen, with the Mumsnet/Kiwi Farms crossover. And many of the women of mumsnet debating whether they were attracted to Null or wanted to mother him through the stress of keeping his site online.

[–]jacques1102 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Honestly,considering polls that i've seen i'm worried if labor ever gets into power that they'll do a complete 180 on all these policies.Literally this one issue i can agree with conservatives but now we need to not allow this to change.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I live in the US but my perception of the labor party in the UK seems to be a bit similar to the Democrats in the US. They are doing a bait and switch where they try to substitute useless social priorities over actual leftist or labor policies. The fact that Jeremy Corbin was becoming popular and then they basically threw the kitchen sink at him and tried to pretend he was an evil antisemite shows that they can't actually argue with him on the merits of populist policies. Instead they are going to do nothing about inequality and try to put the 17 trans people in the country on a pedestal.

I've had a tough time putting my finger on this over the years but what I've come to realize is that there is no inherent conflict between being a leftist AND a conservative. The idea of maintaining a cultural stability and also slowly taking apart hierarchal class based inequalities. That's essentially what populism is.

The problem is that there is not really a lane for people to exist in with the current system. They have called trump supporters "right wing populists" which is a nonsense term definitionally. If you remix the term to conservative populists, it suddenly makes sense. It's just that anything "left wing" has been demonized for decades so people think it means 100 different things which barely align with labor equality.

[–]TheMaharishi 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm still flabbergasted the gender bs ever got any traction in the first place. If people had done retarded shit like that in the 80s. They would have been laughed out of the nut house let alone been given posts in government.

[–]Musky༼⁠ ⁠つ⁠ ⁠◕⁠‿⁠◕⁠ ⁠༽⁠つ 🐈 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I can't believe people take it at face value that gender means something different than sex. That's a modern redefinition of the term in order to support gender identity theory, for most of the word's history that was not the case.

[–]Caessium 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The whole movement runs on heavily curated, isolated spaces with a strict hierarchy. It crumbles completely if people are allowed to disagree with the bluebloods and reject their authority. That's why so many tenets of their faith straight out forbid the commoners from any sort of assertive behavior. Your feelings and needs are unimportant because it's merely your privilege or internalized bigotry speaking through you. You can't express a different opinion because it reinforces the norms of a bigoted society. You can't ask the other person to explain their poorly articulated thoughts; that's asking them for emotional labor. You can't question someone else's experiences; that's violence (but they can and will question yours).

It used to be hard to set up such a space because people naturally didn't want to be in them. Left-wing political organizations which did it would quickly splinter and turn into a bunch of people who could fit on one sofa. Identity politics thrived in universities because those already are quite hierarchical places where your career depends on someone else's whim. But it's the blogs and then the social media that were game-changers.

Facebook, Reddit, or Twitter are pretty much feudal kingdoms with a bunch of fiefs where the word of the ruler is absolute. Piss off the baron, and he'll banish you from his court. Piss off the king, and he'll take your county away and banish you from the kingdom. This is the perfect environment for identity politics to thrive.

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    [–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Muzzie?

    [–]bananafridge 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Ignore him, he's not well

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      [–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Who’s the Muslim?

      [–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Schools and education are devolved issues, so England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland run their schools and education policy for just their country. So advice is different in all four countries and this applies only to England, where education policy is run from Westminster by the central UK-wide government.

      Schools must now record whether pupils are boys or girls rather than asking them what their gender identity is.

      Under new rules, all state schools in England must log children's 'sex as recorded on a birth certificate' in annual data sent to Whitehall.

      They will only be given the option of putting male and female on the records, and have been told officials do not want information on self-described gender – although teachers can ask for it if they want.

      It comes ahead of much-anticipated new guidance for head teachers on transgender issues, which Rishi Sunak pledged will be published for the summer term.