Today I found out that "queer" seriously means "I want to be miserable"

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[–]hfxB0oyADon't piss on my head & tell me it's raining.[S] 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I've been wondering what "queer" means as an identity for a while now, since I heard that it no longer means "a gay" in this brave new world. Abridged from the article:

As homosexuality became normalized, and especially as gay acceptance proceeded, queer activism had to assert itself against these developments. This is because homosexuality became part of the broad umbrella of that which is considered within the norm for contemporary liberal societies, and thus became, to queer Theory, useless for activism.

So, people who call themselves queer are the grumpy old 'them' of the alphabet people, looking back wistfully at the good old days when people hated gays and being ok with your sexuality was an exciting struggle. Now that nobody cares, these people desperately want to be oppressed for something, and therefore will do anything they can to make everyone around them as miserable as they are, 'for the cause'. Ergo, these people are literally the Stop Being Happy meme in real life.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I remember back when I was a kid I got scolded and punished for describing some kind of vase as "queer" because I'd been reading old books where the word just meant "unusual or strange" and had no clue that that anyone considered it offensive or that it had any homosexual connotations.

It's a very strange world now where I can say something like "Bob is queer" and it's considered non offensive, even though I still don't know anything you could say about what it means other than "Bob is weird" which frankly is apt.

These people are just attention seeking cunts. Or power hungry cunts. Have always existed. Have always been those that follow a kind of chaotic approach to what we'd now call activism. Be them prohibitionists in the past, women's suffragetes, anti-gay or anti-abortion protesters. The issue underlying the cause is irrelevant really, there will be some latching onto it who simply want to feel like they are important and enjoy being "right" when everyone else is wrong so to speak. So when they achieve their goals it's actually a bad thing for them because the normies pack up the camp and go on with their lives while the attention whores now need to find a new social I'll or grevance to justify their socially transgressive behavior.

I've given a lot of thought to the idea of what "progressives" and "reactionaries" are and it's led me to come to the conclusion that one can be progressive in any number of ideological directions. But regardless of the political orientation the same kind of personalities and social dynamics tend to form in such activist circles.

When I was very young I got dragged around to a lot of right wing protests and the like. Was mostly around legalization of gay marriage. There'd always be some counter protesters that looked like your typical angry feminist who'd be going around cussing at everyone, but there would never be more than a couple of them. It always seemed bizzare to me. But I kind of realized they are the equivalent of the guys on college campuses that going around with "you are going to hell" signs. They get off on being an asshole. The "cause" irregardless of what it is their excuse to themselves.

It's counterproductive towards the actual goal of the movement of course. A bunch of right wing anti-gay marchers dragging their kids along with them are doing so because they're trying to make a "think of the children" display, but those kids likely have zero idea of normal gay people. I remember thinking that the concept of gay people was quite odd, but I couldn't really understand why so many people were adamantly opposed to them rather than simply ignoring them and letting them alone. But then when your only real life example of some gay person is a screaming Tumblr type that is going around like a possessed banshee, well a lot of kids are going to come off of that thinking that all the gays are crazy insane types, and many won't have opportunities in the future to meet others that can change that preconception. It's essentially priming the next generation of your opponent to do the exact same thing in the future, but in the activist spheres that does indeed seem the goal rather than achieving anything stable.

Granted you've also got a lot of kids going through their rebellion phase rebelling as "queer" or whatever is in vogue simply because it's disturbing to their parents so these kind of ideological bubbles almost always have fairly chaotic dynamics.

I think the main underlying issue is indeed that some people are simply miserable and need to drag other people into it. Some ancient church lady that will read the riot act at you for saying "that sucks" because how dare you reference a vile "homosexual" act. Or some trans-man going at you for some perceived slight because you mentioned some inconsequential aspect of life that caused them to be disphoric or some shit. Both seem to me to be wholly unpleasant and unhappy people. I really wish they'd be able to just be miserable together without involving me.

[–]alladd 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

or a revolution to remain authentic, it must be perpetual, for otherwise its changes become part of the status quo and it’s no longer a revolution

That was literally the whole point the entire time, to show that gay and lesbian people are normal, that their orientation doesn't make them weird. Now that you've accomplished that, you have nothing left to fight for, but you still want revolution, like a bored little narcissist. Being "queer" just means being performatively radical even after you've lost any reason to do so.

[–]LyingSpirit472 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Now that you've accomplished that, you have nothing left to fight for, but you still want revolution, like a bored little narcissist.

But the "bored little narcissist" explains the performative radicalism, since the reason to do so is "they're a spoiled six year old playing "Licensed Character As Excuse To Get In Fights" with their friends and it makes them sick - literally, they get physically ill that they don't get to be the person they're going to write about in history books and build statues of/name high schools after who led to equality for their people.

In order to stop this, the only way to do it is to keep the revolution going and keep fighting until such time as they can jostle for a position of power in the movement, at which time they can end the revolution now that they're personally in a position of power and will be the one the history books write about.

[–]alladd 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The irony is if they actually found purpose in their life and dedicated themselves to something I'm sure it would inevitably lead to strife and chances for conflict where they could stand up for their values in real ways. But they're all too self-absorbed to sacrifice themselves for something else.

[–]fuck_redditThou/Thee/Thy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The youth must learn revolution by making revolution. That is the Cultural Revolution.

[–]jet199 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

There is a certain type of miserabilist woman who is just hates the fact that no one is as miserable as them. Rather than confront the fact they feel the way they do because of their genes and their bad mental habits they feel the need to convince everyone else they are just smarter and more sensitive. If you took the same important issues as seriously at they do, if you cared as much about other people, you would be the same as them.

I can see them coming a mile away now. Like a black hole coming into your orbit. Everything starts in serious, ominous tones. The subject is dire, of the most important. Any kind of joy or happiness when you have this knowledge would be of the worst possible taste.

[–]LtGreenCo 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Queer used to be a derogatory term for anybody not straight. That's how I understood it growing up. So in my mind "LGBTQ+" is superfluous as "Q" pretty much covers all the bases. Except for "straight" trannies I guess but let's be honest if you're a chick with a beard or a dude in high heels and lipstick then "straight" isn't exactly the best adjective for you.

So I vote we drop the LGBTQ+ acronym and just start calling them a bunch of queers like in the old days.

[–]Newzok 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Yeah this is why I don't like our gay bars calling themselves queer spaces. It's a radical ideology about being continuously transgressive for...no reason? Boundaries are good to break down sometimes, but one needs to actually know why it's done and what can be improved by doing so.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Transgressive behavior is more or less only useful if you want to specifically transgress against some moralist power structure that is overly concerned with words and expressions, aka performative bullshit, rather than anything "based" in reality.

Since queer is now the language or choice calling it a queer space is about as transgressive as paying your taxes. It's basically a middle finger to some of the old gays who hate it it seems but it's the age old euphemism treadmill. Eventually fag is somehow the polite term again. Go figure.

Super Straight is a great example of a transgressive message against the kind of internet woke power structure. It uses their own terminology and symbolism but twisted in a way that is super offensive to them. And you can tell the message landed because of how quickly they killed it.

The queer spaces and most current LGBTQ stuff isn't transgressive but prescriptive. There's some committee of DEI types inventing language and terminologies that don't actually have a grass roots foundation in any sort of "gay culture" whatever that means. Some of it might have an organic origin but rarely is the spread organic or memetic unless it's in a highly ironic context.

The thing is currently there aren't many obvious barriers left to transgress in the LGBTQ circle. Which I basically leaves pedophilia as the last real "identity" that experiences "marginalization". I guess murderers are also "marginalized" though I don't know how much patience society will have for that shit.

I'm rather worried that the next socially transgressive movement against this is going to end up being highly religious and authoritarian in nature as the opposition to the more liberal ideologies becomes targeted at basically anyone still on that side of the fence. There's a lot of petty power hungry autocrats on all sides of the political spectrum but they always tend to gravitate towards whatever the public opinion seems to be swinging towards and I think the ones who are smart and competent have largely left or been pushed out of more traditionally liberal circles and they'll move in and take charge when backlash materializes enough to threaten the established power base.

The real thing is I'm not particularly worried about the hardline woke ideology at the moment as they're eating their own and woefully ineffectual at what they are doing. The backlash will hit hard and fast like a tsunami when it does, but I'm afraid it's going to end up with even more witch hunts and a different more Islamic in tone variation of unbounded and unrationalized progressive tendencies.

[–]Newzok 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yeah... What will break the dam is the detransitioners I think. There's already a bunch, soon quite a few. The trad cath wave is just a hipster thing for now, but there's definitely a conservative swing happening.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We're going into the future where we see the class action lawsuit commercials about HRT along the same ways you'd see the asbestos lawsuit commercials.

If you or a loved one have suffered from reduced sexual performance or sterility don't settle, better caul Saul, and he'll get you the money you deserve.

And I think the people promoting this now so the middle class soccer mom types, they'll toss the doctors totally under the bus and pretend they were all totally taken in by this crazy idea that taking the same drugs used to chemically castrate people, or surgically castrate people, results in them being sterile.

😲 What a surprise! Who would have guessed that could happen. We were totally bamboozled by those greedy doctors who took advantage of us. It's "all" their fault!

[–]Caessium 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think we'll see a lot of detransitioners in the future. It takes a very specific person to go all in with an irreversible surgery, then decide it's too much afterward. At this point, you have really no choice but to be happy about your decision. If you want to be a member of the opposite gender so much that you're willing to mutilate yourself and kinda look like one in a favorable light, if you couldn't stand being a healthy man (or a woman), why would you get back to be one, except disfigured?

[–]handbananasrevenge 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

These people got everything they wanted and it’s still not enough. They are sore winners.

[–]fuck_redditThou/Thee/Thy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Vae victus

[–]Caessium 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The important fact about identity politics movements is that they need to feel discriminated against to survive. If you have a group that has nothing in common but how they are persecuted, it will fall apart when there's no persecution to fight against. For that reason, if you wait long enough, the only groups and movements that aren't disbanded are those that found a way to stay persecuted forever.

Queer theory is pretty much a cult tactic turned into an actual science. It first draws people who already feel marginalized, promising them unconditional acceptance, then isolates them from society and keeps them inside. Look how those people hate you. Do you really want to get them to accept you? Look at those completely mundane behaviors; it's actually how they express their disdain. You can never trust them, even those good ones we let help us, because they're intrinsically opposed to us even if they don't know it. Oh, and if you want to be liked even more here, here are a bunch of behaviors, fashion choices, and rules that will make you differ from those outside even more.

It's fascinating because it's one of those cases where the whole is more than the sum of its parts. It would work even if no one were profiting from it because it's all about connecting people through their shared misery and letting them wallow in it until they can't even imagine getting out.

[–]IkeConn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have never known a happy faggot and I'm on Social Security.