Why would gay people support Ts when the entire ideology contradicts homosexuality?

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[–]Alienhunter糞大名 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

So honestly, I think if you want to look into it, we actually don't know that much about human sexuality beyond things self-reported. There's no DNA test or blood test we can do or any kind of physical marker we can point at that indicates if one is gay or not. (Or trans) And while people say that their sexuality has always been the way it has been, and I'm certain they believe that, there's always been other documented cases of people who go through a "phase" and then eventually stop being "gay". Or they figure out they weren't gay the whole time, or something. With a lack of any real scientific evidence for a "root cause of gayness", there's some studies that show autism is more common with gay people, but not all autistics are gay and not all gay people are autistic either, so it's not really a cause.

Where I think the issue began to get conflated was how being gay was "treated" in the past, by torturing the gay people or sterilizing them until they stopped being gay, which was horrid. And the popular cultural trend of believing it was an unchangeable innate trait began to take hold then. I've never believed it to be a conscious choice. But I do think that being gay might be similar to how fetishes work, in that they aren't exactly innate, there may be some kind of genetic influence there, but developmental experiences might also trigger it. I don't think it's well understood by anyone really and we're dealing with a very inexact science of human sexuality.

So I think simply with the pretty shit treatment that gay people got in the past when they were treated like a disease and castrated or tortured into choosing to be straight, the gay community as a whole is understandably very anthemic to ideas like there's any component of choice or mental abnormalities behind sexuality, since they believe (correctly I believe) that you'll have people use that as justification to either discriminate against gay people or to justify various attempts at conversion therapy or whatnot. So when it comes to trans people, I think they apply the same logic, even though one could argue that sex reorientation is a form of conversion therapy itself. I have a personal suspicion that trans-identification is more likely in very conservative areas with strictly defined gender rolls. But it's also important to point out that I think there's about four or so different root causes behind trans-identification as well and it's merely an umbrella term we use to describe everyone who identifies as the opposite sex regardless of why they are doing so.

[–]jacques1102[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The only study that i remember in regards to homosexuality is the same argument Ts use now with their brains not matching.TBF there were gays that were skeptical of these studies since it would basically prove that homosexuality doesn't exist in a psychological sense since their brains would be the opposite sexs.In fact, i think countries like iran even use these studies to force gay men to translate.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I believe that study was fairly inconclusive. It showed some similarities but not enough to make a definitive observation.

The problem is you need to describe what exactly the difference is between a "male" brain and a "female" brain. I'll concede that hormones likely effect brain chemistry. But in that case it's not the brain that is male or female but the hormonal expression is causing differences in brain chemistry no?

[–]jacques1102[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

In which case wouldn't that mean that the brains were more masculine or feminine depending on what it produces?Neither which would prove a male or female brain since we know of tomboys and feminine guys existing.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

People's natural hormonal levels can vary. That might effect brain chemistry. Beyond that I can't say. I'm very skeptical of any claims towards "sexed brains".

I first heard the concept several decades ago, not from trans activists, but by christian fundamentalist dominionists as a biological explanation for strict gender rolls.

It's possible there's some overarching statistical prevalence of certain differences along sex lines across the entire population. But it's not logical to assume that someone whose brain chemistry is deviant from the statistical majority is somehow the opposite sex. Sex is defined by reproductive capability and the only thing that matters is what gametes are produced. (Or would be produced in cases of infertility).