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[–]clownworlddropout 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

More importantly, how do we stop this from happening again.

We went straight off the rails with this shit, and I'm glad we're starting to see the end of it, but what can we learn from it to help stop it from happening again, what caused this mess? Was it social media? Echo-chambers? Advocacy groups losing focus? The politicization or commercialization of medical practices? Dying conventional news outlets rage-baiting for profit?

There's a lot to unpack here, as they say.

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

how do we stop this from happening again?

A good first step might be to disentangle debate and moral judgements. We should be able to debate a subject without casting our political opponents as evil or wishing them harm.

We should reject any argument that is made in an emotionally coercive and controlling fashion - agree with me or I will kill myself!

We should immediately repudiate anyone who likens speech to violence or wishes to restrain the speech of their opponents, either through law, deplatforming, cancellation or threats of violence.

We should declare that use of violence for political purposes is always wrong, no matter who does it - and that includes bringing your own masked goon squad to “protect” you.

Shouting down people is admitting that you have no argument to make and you lose.

[–]Adventurous_Ad6212 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Naw fuck you faggot. I think you are an intrinsically evil piece of shit and should step on a lego for your fucking crimes against hughmanitee and the work you do to sabotage the queer race and future for trans babies.

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Those poor, poor trans babies!

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Here’s the conclusion, but to get a feel for the true extent of the blind eye that was turned you really have to read the whole essay.

Maybe the Mermaids board belatedly realised that if they want their organisation to endure, they needed to get rid of the wacky front woman [Susie Green]. Ultimately, I don’t care why she went, because so much damage has already been done. But what I do want to know is this: how did so many people take Green so seriously for so long? Why did so many people turn off their intelligence when faced with this former IT consultant from Leeds? And how could so many LGBT activists champion and defend a woman who saw effeminacy — and therefore homosexuality — in her two-year-old and feel she had to “correct” this “defect”?

Green kept telling the story of Jackie because, for a long time, it gave her moral authority. No doubt, parents have long been great advocates for the rights of their marginalised children. But an alternative way of looking at Green is she was at least as good an advocate for her own rights: the right to put her child on untested hormone pills, the right to take her child to Thailand for a sex change. There is a fine line between using your parenting experience to help others, and validating your parenting choices by encouraging others to do the same.

I’m not waiting for celebrities such as Emma Watson to own up to their foolishness, mainly because I don’t care what Emma Watson thinks about anything. But all the journalists, teachers, editors and activists who endorsed Green’s obviously ludicrous ideas and shouted down anyone who didn’t, they really need to take a long look at their judgement, their motives and themselves. Because Green never once hid who she was.

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

They managed to send a headhunting email to a stealth-TERF.

https://imgur.com/a/p4oiIjJ

[–]Newzok 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

£80k and you have flex on 4-5 days a week? Holy moly. I never realised charities paid so well.

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Another choice quote:

Doubt the charity, hate the cause, in other words. Weirdly, this attitude seems to hold true only for charities connected to trans issues: no one, as far as I know, screamed that The Times hates starving people when they investigated Oxfam in 2018 about allegations that some of its workers paid for sex.