I find them codependent on the radfems (the RF in the TE): one group was riding high 2014: they'd closed the mixed and men's shelters, fought expansion of the legal definition of rape, insisted that due process was inherently bad (Duke, Mattress Girl), stopped men's centers with 1% the women's center's budget--and they really didn't think that the Yanivs of the world wouldn't flock to that like flies to honey?

one group damns anything masculine and seeks to jerry-rig an excuse why after the fact; the other group also flees maleness, but doesn't understand it and so just does a lazy job at it