New definition of woman just dropped

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[–]ClassroomPast6178 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

You weren’t kidding about the shredding that is occurring in the witness box.

AR - you don’t see that there are any conflicts between LGB and T rights.

R - I see that some might disagree.

AR - but you are exclusive of people who disagree with including T with LGB.

R - we are not inclusive of this who exclude T

AR - you expect members to be inclusive. An org that focuses on gay men must include trans gay men

R - yes.

AR - that means that an org that focuses on gay men, must include people who are born female, but identify as men and are exclusively attracted to gay men.

R - legally recognised as men.

AR - what do you mean as legally recognised?

R - refers to the Equality Act,

AR - we will say that a trans man who does not have a GRC for purposes of the Eq Act remains a woman.

R - I would disagree with that.

AR - going back to the example, anyone who identifies as a man is quite a wide population.

R - yes.

AR - may not have surgery or taken hormones etc

R -yes

AR - so we are talking about self-identification.

R - yes.

AR - you mean that they are literally men?

AR - they are literally men?

R - no, there would be differences but my understanding is that they are men under the law

AR - what do you mean differences?

R - a trans man might need services that a trans woman would not.

AR - do you believe that trans men are men literally?

R - I would disagree.

AR - On what basis?

R - I believe that anyone who identifies as a man is a man.

AR - self id is based on belief is it not?

R - yes.

AR - there is no objective difference therefore between a trans man and a trans woman.

R - you keep using the word literally, what do you mean.

AR - actually, objectively.

R - trans men are men and should be treated as such.

AR - orgs must accept that a person with a female body can be a gay man. it is transphobic to say otherwise.

R - if someone is being Denied access to a service yes.

AR - do you believe it is transphobic to say that someone with a female body cannot be a gay man?

R - yes, I agree.

Akua Reindorf is just poking holes in the ideology and it’s going to be glorious when all the holes connect and the centre drops out.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The good stuff comes after that imo

AR - going on to surgery, these surgeries are irreversible?
PR - Not an expert.
AR - and that makes them sterile.
PR - I guess
AR - can you understand that ‘transing away the gay’ is something that would be of concern to a charity that worries about LGB rights
PR - I don’t believe that transing away the gay happens
AR - Iran?

[–]ClassroomPast6178 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There’s some bullshit this afternoon where the Mermaids representative claims not to have done more than skim read the Cass report, just so they can avoid confirming its findings. Like people at Mermaids didn’t devour that report over and over in order to develop strategies to spin it.

[–]Datachost[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Apparently that still didn't stop LGBT Consortium from signing a declaration criticising the report even though their CEO has just admitted in court he's barely read it. So he's either just committed perjury or just admitted he's making decisions based on information other people have given him

John Nicolson MSP on the stand tomorrow, which ought to be fun, since that man has a hate boner for the LGBA so long lasting that