TRANSGENDERMiss Transgender Peru Arrested on Human Trafficking Charges in Belgium

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[–]Datachost 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It's always stuck with me, how selfish those men seemed. That was kind of the central theme.

Definitely. As people have pointed out their foray into femininity went as far as parading around in their wives' underwear. I'm pretty sure one of the wives in the article even makes a point of saying she'd hoped it might mean her husband would help out around the house a bit more, but no such luck.

And the organisations I mentioned, which were supposed to be offering support certainly did so, but almost always for the benefit of the men. It was never "Maybe you should leave him, seems like all your disposable income is going towards his fetish"

There's this now slightly infamous clip of Ben Shapiro getting threatened by Zoey Tur (nee Bob), where one second he goes from this demure "Teehee, I'm just a lady, don't you know?" parody and the very next he's threatening to break Ben's bones. I doubt anyone will be surprised to learn he was even more abusive in private, and coming out as trans gave him a get out of jail free card, where his daughter can't publicly disown him for fear of being called transphobic

[–]TaseAFeminist4Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I don't want to gloss completely over something you said, which is that what we're seeing is a conservative movement. To me, conservatism consists of deferring to past practice whenever possible. A better title for that Atlantic article might have been, "Exhausted, Superficially Conservative-Looking Men Take Break From Looking Conservative."

That said, what we're suffering through has origins in a deeply-entrenched male power structure. People like "Martine" Rothblatt, "Jennifer" Pritzker, etc. were never made to sit in a special area or denied employment or wealth. What they are perpetrating on us may not be "conservative" per se, but the perpetrators are people who have a certain natural distance from conservative criticism. Pritzker is some kind of infantry officer and Rothblatt is a wealthy entrepreneur.

Maybe this just means that the gender question is independent of everything else. I'd like to be more optimistic about it, though. I agree with people like Jennifer Bilek and Isabella Malbin (so-called TERFs) about more than just gender ideology. These are people I respect even though I'd never call myself a feminist or anything other than a conservative.

[–]Datachost 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Right, it's not so much conservative men as men who have a view of women as inferior and if the last couple of years have taught us anything it's that there's plenty of those men on the left too, they're just a bit better at hiding it. And that's where the fetish comes from ultimately, the thought of losing control, becoming inferior, whilst still actually being completely in control. Autogynephilia is where masochism meets misogyny. To go back to Shapiro's meeting with Tur, Tur gets to throw around his (literal and social) weight and use that as intimidation whilst still getting to pretend like he's a wallflower who couldn't handle the slightest criticism. The male power still remains post transition. Transwomen make headlines for being admirals, athletes, CEOs. Transmen get in the news for getting pregnant.

[–]TaseAFeminist4Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, that Tur character is positively terrifying. He just oozes this weird authoritarianism, like he's got you cornered and he's going to do whatever he wants with you now.