Will the ban have an affect on people changing their opinions on the social justice ideology?

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[–]ReconNinja 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

The simple truth is that censorship works. Nobody would use it, nor care to protest its usage, if it didn't. If thousands of people are now no longer able to post counterarguments to a position on one of the internet's most prominent forums, and millions of readers are no longer able to see what those counterarguments are, it's impossible to reasonably conclude that the counterargument would gain popularity. As for the Streisand effect argument, that objectively isn't happening. Even if r/TiA2 hypothetically would be allowed to exist, merely moving subreddits is enough to lose over 90% of people. Having to move to this site means we're down by an amount closer to 99.9%.

You also can't argue that the silent majority agrees with us even if they can't say so on Reddit, because we have no idea what a silent population thinks, or even how large it is. If they voice an opinion for us to gauge, they're no longer silent.

[–]RedEyedWarriorThe Evil Cishomo 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You're right. If censorship didn't work, we would never have had a communist country anywhere on this planet. Most people don't think outside the box, so they don't look for what has been censored.

Whenever a channel gets banned on YouTube, most of its subscribers just assume that the channel stopped making new videos or its owner died. They don't bother check to see if this person is on Odysee or BitChute.

Another example: Reddit banned r/rightwinglgbt. Most of the people on that subreddit went to r/conservative. I don't see anybody on the Saidit equivalent.

[–]ReconNinja 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, I don't even think impugning humanity is necessary here; This is a purely a matter of compounding numbers. I'll just make up some numbers in the ballpark of plausibility for sake of illustration:

Say r/TiA had 1,000,000 subscribers. Of that million, we'll say 20% are bot accounts. Then 20% of the real users are dead accounts which the owner never logs into anymore. Of the active accounts, only 50% log in to Reddit regularly. Of the regular Reddit users subscribed to r/TiA, only 10% make a point to go to r/TiA regularly. Of the regular r/TiA users, only 5% are willing to make an account on a separate web service for the sake of doomsday community migration. Of the new s/TiA users, only 10% bother to log in to Saidit regularly.

Using those estimates, that population goes from a million to 160, which is actually slightly optimistic since I don't think the number of users online here at once ever exceeds double digits.

[–]GrilledTofuIdentifying as a block of tofu 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Sometimes censorship doesn't work. I didn't know who Dave was until they tried to censor him. The Streisans effect happens more likely with people who already have an existing work for people to check out. Libs of tiktok is another one where the effect happened. I didn't know that twitter account existed until people whined too.

Matt Walsh is another. Jordan Peterson, and others. Sure censorship can work, yet at the same time it doesn't always.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You didn't know who Dave Chappelle was!? Have you watched his stuff, he's good.

[–]GrilledTofuIdentifying as a block of tofu 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah. American comedy scene wasn't on my radar of interest that's why I've not heard of him before the controversy. I haven't watched the netflix special either since I don't have netflix. I did see some clips here and there before though.