LOL WUTWhen our biologically based aversion to incest that helps preserve our species survival is too “ableist” and isn’t “woke” enough.

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[–]LyingSpirit472 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

I want to believe you, but the stats would worry about Westermarck Effect covering this [it is kind of...conveeeeeeeeeeenient...that we're only seeing this rise of support for incest after incest/"no, no, they're only step-family, honest!"] porn became popular enough to be notable.

[–]BioEssentialism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I want to believe you, but the stats would worry about Westermarck Effect covering this

Where the fuck is there suddenly such a big increase in (heterosexual) incest? Isn’t it still one of the rarest things in the world? (Not counting cousin marriages)

[–]LyingSpirit472 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

That's slightly different from what I'm saying. There isn't a big increase in heterosexual incest yet, BUT, considering that incest porn has exploded as a genre in the last decade, that obviously says there IS a big increase of people who are turned on by the thought of incest...and if that number of people who are turned on by that rises, it stands to reason there will eventually be a rise in people who manage to succeed at it.

[–]BioEssentialism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Is this straight incest in particular that’s exploded or gay?

If it is straight is it an actual emphasis on being blood-related or is it more of a Step family fetish thing?

[–]LyingSpirit472 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

It usually tends to be straight incest that is seen a lot (though gay incest porn isn't uncommon either.)

For the straight part, it depends on where it's made. Fanfiction/fanart will do more outright blood-related stuff (and it's important the rise started through hentai doujinshi which did have it as blood-related to kick it into overdrive.) Actual humans in porn, it's step family fetish stuff, but I still don't consider that a good excuse considering how many times the step fetish shit will have a scene with multiple partners, and how when this happens, each partner in the scene are sold as step-relatives of each other in a "...yeah, after you have more than about 3 people in the scene, you're not fooling anyone. If you have to have some incredibly intricate family tree of who's parent married who to explain how they're all not blood-related step-family, we all kind of know some of the people in that scene are supposed to be blood-related and engaging in incest together."

[–]BioEssentialism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Fanfiction/fanart will do more outright

Funny cause in fandom spheres I’ve mostly noticed the opposite - people are way more willing to ship and write/draw incest if it’s same sex, whereas het incest tends to be limited to those really creepy & degenerate Otaku oriented anime that are targeted towards pedos.

[–]LyingSpirit472 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

While I agree with you, that helps the argument I was making that something is going wrong with the Westermarck Effect: Fandom spheres where people shipping or writing/drawing incest that's same sex are doing it because of "fuck their personal relationships, these characters are hot and I wanna see them fuck", but it's non-commercial shit that's basically done for them to get off to.

Het incest being limited to the creepy/degenerate Otaku oriented anime, on the other hand, is more likely to be professionally made and sold outright in hentai magazines or even on TV/OVA levels towards those Otaku...meaning that there's enough people who are into that shit that companies will sell it.

[–]BioEssentialism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

While I agree with you, that helps the argument I was making that something is going wrong with the Westermarck Effect: Fandom spheres where people shipping or writing/drawing incest that's same sex are doing it because of "fuck their personal relationships, these characters are hot and I wanna see them fuck", but it's non-commercial shit that's basically done for them to get off to

Eh not necessarily, some people (like me) don’t do it because we’re attracted to the characters or even write/draw specifically sexualized content. We’re just attracted to their dynamic, think they have good chemistry and because they’re the same-sex (or adopted) we don’t have that guilt of knowing they’re related stopping us from shipping them.

Het incest being limited to the creepy/degenerate Otaku oriented anime, on the other hand, is more likely to be professionally made and sold outright in hentai magazines or even on TV/OVA levels towards those Otaku...meaning that there's enough people who are into that shit that companies will sell it.

To be fair, that’s still an extremely small portion of the anime market in general and the only ones who even watch that stuff are socially maladjusted incels that even Japan makes fun of.

[–]LyingSpirit472 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Eh not necessarily, some people (like me) don’t do it because we’re attracted to the characters or even write/draw specifically sexualized content. We’re just attracted to their dynamic, think they have good chemistry and because they’re the same-sex (or adopted) we don’t have that guilt of knowing they’re related stopping us from shipping them.

To be fair, that’s still an extremely small portion of the anime market in general and the only ones who even watch that stuff are socially maladjusted incels that even Japan makes fun of.

And that's still part of my point. Even if it's an extremely small portion of the market as a whole, it's enough of the market that some of it that there's people willing to make it. If the extremely small portion of the market is equal to "people who'd be willing to act on it", then it makes sense. However, the amount of it made Stateside and how it keeps rising upwards would be a question mark there.

[–]BioEssentialism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

However, the amount of it made Stateside and how it keeps rising upwards would be a question mark there.

Is it rising stateside though? I mean most het “incest” porn being made in the West is still stepfamily based and Game Of Thrones is still the only Western show I know of that features a romanticized depiction of heterosexual incest of any kind.

The reason why it seems like a lot fetishy hetero incest anime is being made is because despite the small amount of viewers, that small amount of Otaku have tons of money in their pocket to burn, (Japan is a 1st world nation akin to the development of Western nations remember) so though they might be few in number their willingness to overspend is what causes the market to cater to them and makes it seem like there’s more of an audience for this type of an anime than there actually is.