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[–]FlyingKangaroo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The times might be dark, more in some countries than the others, but I know there’s hope. There can be still resistance to REAL abuse and oppression and brainwashing.

I am myself an example of it, I used to support some of woke views (even though I was never as rad as others, I maintained some of my common sense but I’m still deeply ashamed of these few years) and I changed. I understood that various things I used to support (and my ex-friends supported) are actually harmful and go against my other values in life. Furthermore, they often cover real problems. It’s like caring about petty (but dangerous as well) stuff while letting go some serious wounds untreated. But we all deserve a healing.

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I understood that various things I used to support (and my ex-friends supported) are actually harmful and go against my other values in life.

It's interesting you bring this up. I was talking with my therapist about why gender ideology in particular bothers me, and she helped me see that it's because it directly contradicts my values - my number one value being the importance of truth and integrity. Other values include my importance on family, and that gender ideology and its activists have actively pushed to violate the family unit and tear people apart.

Have you also lost friends over woke ideology? I've lost a bunch. But then again, perhaps that is a sign that they were never really my friends to begin with.

[–]FlyingKangaroo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It’s interesting. I hope this comparison helped you; it’s good you got to talk about it without being shamed for your views.

Yes, I did; in fact these were two closest friends I had at that time. Funnily, they cut contact with me almost for no reason at all - just stopping all contact one day and only messaging me back when I was worried they’re not active anymore in spaces where we chatted (they also happen to live in same city but I luckily I don’t meet them anymore). Out of the blue, they decided not to hang out anymore with me because apparently to them I was a prude and a bigot, even though I never did anything against them. When it happened I was sad over such bizarre happenings but later I realized it was actually better to me to lose contact with them. I go on very well.

I also knew some other people who became woke and lost contact with them too, but out ends of contact weren’t as dramatic as that; just fading out because everyone went their own way. In one case I had some quarrel with a girl who became a trans man (only knew her online due to shared hobby). And it was she that began the quarrel - just because she learned I talked to our other friend who was disappointed because the girl-trans man treated her badly (nothing to do with woke stuff, it was before her coming out). The trans-to-be one was angry at me for daring to criticize her in a conversation she didn’t even participate in. Acted quite angry and childish. We resolved this somehow but more time later our friendship naturally loosened and after even a longer time I saw she suddenly calls herself a man.

I agree with you a lot. At some point you got to see they were never as good friends as you thought before. I don’t even need to recall the times when everything was good and they weren’t infected by wholeness yet - it just doesn’t matter anymore as I have other things to enjoy in life.