reluctant_commenter comments on The LGBT, HRC, GLAAD, Stonewall created this mess.

The LGBT, HRC, GLAAD, Stonewall created this mess.(self)

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I don't trust them anymore. Why are so many people involved in those organizations needing people to kiss their asses all the time? I see double standards. In the past Gay men wrote awful things about heterosexuals and it's not called hate speech even though it literally is very hateful. see in this link. https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/pwh/swift1.asp

They turn around and defend everything put out as though they can't see their own shit stinks. Lesbians appear to be under a handmaiden must protect gay men at all cost but do gay men protect them? I don't see a large group of gay men doing anything just a sprinkle that don't make much of an impact. The LGBT is all about numbers to get political parties on their side for elections and clout. They've sold women out and they've had groups like NAMBLA apart of their platform then act like it never happened and NAMBLA was openly allowed for a long time. Even in this blue print where words "homophobe" are used you will see a reference to NAMBLA telling NAMBLA to sit back behind the scenes as they promote victim campaigns. http://library.gayhomeland.org/0018/EN/EN_Overhauling_Straight.htm

This one can't be denied because it became a book soon after still on Amazon. The LGBT itself is very corrupt and so are the rest. If you criticize in anyway, they become fascists and seek to silence. No more excuses, no more defenses. A sprinkle of gay men isn't going to make an impact. Since gay men have been the real leaders of this movement and often times put first, they should do something about this mess and also apologize for the literature of the past promoting anti-straight bigotry and for using lesbians as their beards to conceal the real plotline. This movement was never about just letting bygones be bygones but transforming society into their fantasy land and apart of that fantasy is eroding women's biology, destroying what words mean to do it, vilifying heterosexuals. They scoff and claim that's not it but then why write about it?

History shows the real intent of every movement. It's not really just about gay acceptance but pushing an anything goes sexually narrative out there including beastiality which was written about towards the end of Gay Manifesto. http://againstequality.org/files/refugees_from_amerika_a_gay_manifesto_1969.pdf

Talks about people being objects and sexual objectification, kids being sexual much earlier than people think and can handle themselves...talks about kinks and sex with dolphins as a sexual communication breakthrough. It also mentions how gay men should set aside their sexism, hide it better to include lesbian feminists because they need them!

Out of these three hushed up yet very influential pieces, all are plots of domination...not really just let bygones be bygones and accept us. All written by gay men. All of this hushed up. Let it be known that even though gay men really want to dictate how society should operate, it's not really good for most of us. It's downright nasty and oppressive.

reluctant_commenter 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun 3 years ago

HRC, GLAAD, and Stonewall are all run by transgender people, not lesbian, gay, or bisexual people. The acronym "LGBT" is all about the T. Within LGBT, the LGB are treated like second-class citizens. That includes gay men.

According to GLAAD's 2017 LGBT survey, over half of respondents were T. Graphs here: https://www.saidit.net/s/LGBDropTheT/comments/625t/i_made_charts_from_2017_glaad_survey_data_showing/

And these organizations' correspondance and efforts are far disproportionately focused on transgender people. By 2019 over 75% of Stonewall's, HRC's and Equality Network's annual reports were about trans people: http://users.ox.ac.uk/~sfos0060/LGBT_figures.shtml

Being transgender has become massively popular in the last decade, and it's fucking over everybody-- gay, straight, women, men, children, vulnerable minorities, everybody.

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JulienMayfair 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun 3 years ago

Gay men and lesbians don't need extensive therapy, puberty blockers, life time hormone replacement therapy, expensive surgeries, and a life time of medical complications from all this.

It's also a fairly simple case of careerism. After the gay marriage SCOTUS decision in the U.S., the LGB had won most of their major battles. But all these professional activists desperately needed something to do to continue justifying their paychecks, so they turned to trans issues.

For example, back in the 1980s, when we really needed it, my university, a major big-name one, had no official support for LGB students whatsoever. Zero. Now, when all this stuff has become mainstream, they have this huge, fully-staffed Gender and Sexual Diversity Office. And guess what they offer workshops on these days: "Trans 101" and "Pronouns." There's hardly a word about LGB on their site. The LGB are last-year's news to them.

I call these people "grievance grifters." The less there is for them to complain about, the more loudly they complain. But their paid positions have spread like a cancer, and if you do anything to threaten their gravy train, they will try to destroy you.

A genuine activist should always be trying to put him or herself out of a job. Solve the problem, and move on.

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You're preaching to the choir. Few of the LGB on this site are actually in the official LGBTQAI2S+++ movement anymore(we align more with organizations like the LGB Alliance and perhaps have some overlap with the Radfems). And thus have little power to challenge the mandates of the Rainbow High Council. They can just claim to speak for all of us while at the same time calling us transphobes. And honestly, even if we were still in the movement, the Trans are at the very top of the oppression totem pole because they don't have all their "rights" yet and so have ultimate deference over the needs and views of everyone else. That's how it works with intersectionality. This is why Transwomen are more oppressed than Transmen. The co-opted movement is a wholly separate beast from the sexualities themselves. Don't conflate the two. Just like how not all Straight people are a member of the SuperStraights. Yeah, it sure seems like all LGB have solidarity with the "Community", but that is largely an illusion conjured by these highly influential groups with the help of the woke media and biased social media. And by now, you would have more than enough proof of this narrative dissonance from the SuperSexual community.

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” We realized that we should have a parallel movement, but also needed to be dug into the L.G.B.T. movement,” said Mara Keisling, the executive director of the National Center for Transgender Equality. “The folks I work most closely with are all very nice, sweet people, but we had to be such hard asses. At a certain point, we said, ‘No more moving gay people ahead without trans people.’ ”

This article was written in 2015. Now look where the gay rights movement is now. I cannot bear to see it. Why should homosexuals and bisexuals be held for ransom so that mentally ill people can be validated? No. Transgenderism should not have anything to do with homosexuals and bisexuals. I’m fed up of having to support transgenderism just because I’m gay. Well guess what? What Hungary did in May of last year was the right thing to do, and I hope more countries follow.

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Wiki:

On 31 March, the Transgender Day of Visibility, a bill was submitted that redefined the Hungarian term "nem", which may mean either "sex" or "gender", to mean sex at birth, defined as "the biological sex determined by primary sexual characteristics and chromosomes". Parliament voted in favor of the bill on 19 May 2020, making it impossible for individuals to change their legal gender.

I remember hearing this and thinking it was a great idea. Still do. It's impossible to get something like this passed where I am, though. People are deep asleep to the eventual ramifications of legally recognizing sex/gender changes. They'll buy everything the Rainbow squad sells them without much reflection because they want to be Progressive and on The Right Side of History™. Supporting a lie based solely on emotion is just as bad as Opposing Same-sex attraction based on emotion. Well, Transgenderism is fundamentally about telling lies. I don't mean the gender dysphoria part of it, but that they can become the opposite sex. Which segues into the lie that they are actually another sexual orientation than they are. These two falsehoods leads to so many social problems that I will not go into as most here are already well aware.

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aren't there still plenty of gay men high up in these organizations though?

It's a fair point. There are plenty of gay men collaborating with the T for their own reasons. Many younger gay men have been brainwashed with gender identity theory or are simply afraid to speak out because power has shifted to the TQ+. I mean, if you're a gay male college professor these day and were critical of the TQ+, students and other faculty would be trying to have you fired.

Mainstream liberal feminism (as opposed to gender critical or radical feminism) has also been a major player in the TQ+ takeover, even more than gay men. It's a very strange phenomenon. There are women on my college's LGBTQ alumni network campaigning passionately for having male-bodied transwomen competing against women in women's sports. It's down to intersectionality and a certain feminist bias in favor of any perceived underdog. For example, on Reddit's Two X Chromosome sub, you'll be instantly banned for being critical of trans policies.

Note that trans people are wildly over-represented as mods and admins of websites. It's a strategy they pursue. Get in there, and ban anyone who dares say anything you don't like.