The LGBT, HRC, GLAAD, Stonewall created this mess.

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I don't trust them anymore. Why are so many people involved in those organizations needing people to kiss their asses all the time? I see double standards. In the past Gay men wrote awful things about heterosexuals and it's not called hate speech even though it literally is very hateful. see in this link. https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/pwh/swift1.asp

They turn around and defend everything put out as though they can't see their own shit stinks. Lesbians appear to be under a handmaiden must protect gay men at all cost but do gay men protect them? I don't see a large group of gay men doing anything just a sprinkle that don't make much of an impact. The LGBT is all about numbers to get political parties on their side for elections and clout. They've sold women out and they've had groups like NAMBLA apart of their platform then act like it never happened and NAMBLA was openly allowed for a long time. Even in this blue print where words "homophobe" are used you will see a reference to NAMBLA telling NAMBLA to sit back behind the scenes as they promote victim campaigns. http://library.gayhomeland.org/0018/EN/EN_Overhauling_Straight.htm

This one can't be denied because it became a book soon after still on Amazon. The LGBT itself is very corrupt and so are the rest. If you criticize in anyway, they become fascists and seek to silence. No more excuses, no more defenses. A sprinkle of gay men isn't going to make an impact. Since gay men have been the real leaders of this movement and often times put first, they should do something about this mess and also apologize for the literature of the past promoting anti-straight bigotry and for using lesbians as their beards to conceal the real plotline. This movement was never about just letting bygones be bygones but transforming society into their fantasy land and apart of that fantasy is eroding women's biology, destroying what words mean to do it, vilifying heterosexuals. They scoff and claim that's not it but then why write about it?

History shows the real intent of every movement. It's not really just about gay acceptance but pushing an anything goes sexually narrative out there including beastiality which was written about towards the end of Gay Manifesto. http://againstequality.org/files/refugees_from_amerika_a_gay_manifesto_1969.pdf

Talks about people being objects and sexual objectification, kids being sexual much earlier than people think and can handle themselves...talks about kinks and sex with dolphins as a sexual communication breakthrough. It also mentions how gay men should set aside their sexism, hide it better to include lesbian feminists because they need them!

Out of these three hushed up yet very influential pieces, all are plots of domination...not really just let bygones be bygones and accept us. All written by gay men. All of this hushed up. Let it be known that even though gay men really want to dictate how society should operate, it's not really good for most of us. It's downright nasty and oppressive.

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[–]reluctant_commenter 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

HRC, GLAAD, and Stonewall are all run by transgender people, not lesbian, gay, or bisexual people. The acronym "LGBT" is all about the T. Within LGBT, the LGB are treated like second-class citizens. That includes gay men.

According to GLAAD's 2017 LGBT survey, over half of respondents were T. Graphs here: https://www.saidit.net/s/LGBDropTheT/comments/625t/i_made_charts_from_2017_glaad_survey_data_showing/

And these organizations' correspondance and efforts are far disproportionately focused on transgender people. By 2019 over 75% of Stonewall's, HRC's and Equality Network's annual reports were about trans people: http://users.ox.ac.uk/~sfos0060/LGBT_figures.shtml

Being transgender has become massively popular in the last decade, and it's fucking over everybody-- gay, straight, women, men, children, vulnerable minorities, everybody.

[–][deleted] 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's because the T is where all the money is. Gay men and lesbians don't need extensive therapy, puberty blockers, life time hormone replacement therapy, expensive surgeries, and a life time of medical complications from all this.

There's so much money to be off of trans people. That's why there's a huge push to get teens transitioned since a large number of young girls who believe they're trans at 13-14 because they hate the way their body is changing due to puberty then later stop believing they are trans as they get comfortable with their own body. The trans movement is essentially trying to catch these girls and get them transitioned before they even have a chance to grow up and adapt to the changes puberty brought to their bodies.

[–]JulienMayfair 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Gay men and lesbians don't need extensive therapy, puberty blockers, life time hormone replacement therapy, expensive surgeries, and a life time of medical complications from all this.

It's also a fairly simple case of careerism. After the gay marriage SCOTUS decision in the U.S., the LGB had won most of their major battles. But all these professional activists desperately needed something to do to continue justifying their paychecks, so they turned to trans issues.

For example, back in the 1980s, when we really needed it, my university, a major big-name one, had no official support for LGB students whatsoever. Zero. Now, when all this stuff has become mainstream, they have this huge, fully-staffed Gender and Sexual Diversity Office. And guess what they offer workshops on these days: "Trans 101" and "Pronouns." There's hardly a word about LGB on their site. The LGB are last-year's news to them.

I call these people "grievance grifters." The less there is for them to complain about, the more loudly they complain. But their paid positions have spread like a cancer, and if you do anything to threaten their gravy train, they will try to destroy you.

A genuine activist should always be trying to put him or herself out of a job. Solve the problem, and move on.

[–]BEB 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly.

All the peoples and organizations pushing transitioning are like a mega-scale, global version of the Sackler (sp?) family pushing opioids in the US.

This will all eventually catch up with the people pushing primarily gay or autistic kids into becoming lifetime, very expensive, medical experiments, but will they be punished?

[–]MarkJefferson 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I should probably add this for anyone who wants to know a bit of the history of how the T attached itself to the Gay Rights Movement.

[–]pesos 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Is it fair that lesbians don't feel welcome in their own community anymore because of all the vile death threats they've received with the LGBT doing nothing about it?? Is it fair that a lesbian couple were murdered by Dana Rivers (trans) and it is most likely because this lesbian couple didn't feel like going on with the men are lesbians too theme?? There has been way more unfairness aimed at lesbians than anyone else and for a movement that claims to be anti-bigotry they sure do come across as bigots. I have no more sympathy for this woman hating group. Straight men don't want to have sex with biological men and this group is bent on shaming people that disagree. It's a hate movement. It's up to people inside of the movement to kick the T out...not up to anyone else.

[–]MarkJefferson 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're preaching to the choir. Few of the LGB on this site are actually in the official LGBTQAI2S+++ movement anymore(we align more with organizations like the LGB Alliance and perhaps have some overlap with the Radfems). And thus have little power to challenge the mandates of the Rainbow High Council. They can just claim to speak for all of us while at the same time calling us transphobes. And honestly, even if we were still in the movement, the Trans are at the very top of the oppression totem pole because they don't have all their "rights" yet and so have ultimate deference over the needs and views of everyone else. That's how it works with intersectionality. This is why Transwomen are more oppressed than Transmen. The co-opted movement is a wholly separate beast from the sexualities themselves. Don't conflate the two. Just like how not all Straight people are a member of the SuperStraights. Yeah, it sure seems like all LGB have solidarity with the "Community", but that is largely an illusion conjured by these highly influential groups with the help of the woke media and biased social media. And by now, you would have more than enough proof of this narrative dissonance from the SuperSexual community.

[–]RedEyedWarrior 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

” We realized that we should have a parallel movement, but also needed to be dug into the L.G.B.T. movement,” said Mara Keisling, the executive director of the National Center for Transgender Equality. “The folks I work most closely with are all very nice, sweet people, but we had to be such hard asses. At a certain point, we said, ‘No more moving gay people ahead without trans people.’ ”

This article was written in 2015. Now look where the gay rights movement is now. I cannot bear to see it. Why should homosexuals and bisexuals be held for ransom so that mentally ill people can be validated? No. Transgenderism should not have anything to do with homosexuals and bisexuals. I’m fed up of having to support transgenderism just because I’m gay. Well guess what? What Hungary did in May of last year was the right thing to do, and I hope more countries follow.

[–]MarkJefferson 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Wiki:

On 31 March, the Transgender Day of Visibility, a bill was submitted that redefined the Hungarian term "nem", which may mean either "sex" or "gender", to mean sex at birth, defined as "the biological sex determined by primary sexual characteristics and chromosomes". Parliament voted in favor of the bill on 19 May 2020, making it impossible for individuals to change their legal gender.

I remember hearing this and thinking it was a great idea. Still do. It's impossible to get something like this passed where I am, though. People are deep asleep to the eventual ramifications of legally recognizing sex/gender changes. They'll buy everything the Rainbow squad sells them without much reflection because they want to be Progressive and on The Right Side of History™. Supporting a lie based solely on emotion is just as bad as Opposing Same-sex attraction based on emotion. Well, Transgenderism is fundamentally about telling lies. I don't mean the gender dysphoria part of it, but that they can become the opposite sex. Which segues into the lie that they are actually another sexual orientation than they are. These two falsehoods leads to so many social problems that I will not go into as most here are already well aware.

[–]RedEyedWarrior 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nothing like that would get passed here in Ireland either. Now, Hungary is not perfect. Gay marriage and same sex adoption are both banned by the constitution. You only have civil unions, which is better than nothing, but the country is still not perfect for gays. Although, I can happily live with just civil unions, so I personally don’t mind. But I will definitely commend the Hungarians on their approach to transgenderism. Plus, I was in Budapest a few years ago and it’s a fun and safe city. I’d definitely visit it again if the lockdowns and travel restrictions end.

[–]pesos 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

I didn't know that...aren't there still plenty of gay men high up in these organizations though? Any evidence they've all been replaced by the "T"?

[–]MarkJefferson 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

There's always going to be some bad actors from every sexuality. Is it fair to blame others for AGP men like Rachel Levine?

[–]pesos 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

is it fair to create laws that cater to AGP men putting them in the same category as those who have a full transition and aren't hateful bigots towards women??

[–]jet199 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

You seem to be using the word fair a lot.

The whole point of the woke movement is to stop things being fair to make them more equal. They want people to be treated differently in school, in the work place and even in the courts based on their identity.

You can't argue against them citing fairness because they don't give a shit about it.

If you want fairness to matter then you need to work to root the woke out of every position of power no matter what group they are from or who they are nice to.

Stop worrying about if your opponents are gay, agp or tru trans. Worry about their agenda.

[–]reluctant_commenter 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The whole point of the woke movement is to stop things being fair to make them more equal. They want people to be treated differently in school, in the work place and even in the courts based on their identity.

Yup. It's amazing to me how popular this regressive belief has become. I don't want to be treated any differently for my sexual orientation, positive or negative! I just want to be viewed the same as any other human being.

Unfortunately, the mainstream trans rights movement demands that other people treat them differently because they are trans-- e.g. saying, "I can say no to sex with someone of any demographic (including trans) and it's fine, but if a non-trans person says no to sex with someone who is trans, you're a transphobic bigot and should be censored."

[–]MarkJefferson 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well, I don't think transition ever makes a person the opposite sex, so no law to recognize Transwomen as women or Transmen as men is fair or acceptable to me.

[–]BEB 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But why should women have to give up anything to cater to men's feelings? There are plenty of women who don't care if the man is castrated or super"feminine" - they don't want him around when they're naked or vulnerable.

The difference between being a woman, or being a black man, and being a transgender natal male, is that women and black men have no closet to hide in, while a transgender natal male can simply change his appearance and his "oppression'" disappears.

So how can it be fair to ask frightened women/ religious women/ modest women to give up their rights to dignity, privacy and safety so that a man can "live his truth"?

Women are not human shields.

[–]JulienMayfair 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

aren't there still plenty of gay men high up in these organizations though?

It's a fair point. There are plenty of gay men collaborating with the T for their own reasons. Many younger gay men have been brainwashed with gender identity theory or are simply afraid to speak out because power has shifted to the TQ+. I mean, if you're a gay male college professor these day and were critical of the TQ+, students and other faculty would be trying to have you fired.

Mainstream liberal feminism (as opposed to gender critical or radical feminism) has also been a major player in the TQ+ takeover, even more than gay men. It's a very strange phenomenon. There are women on my college's LGBTQ alumni network campaigning passionately for having male-bodied transwomen competing against women in women's sports. It's down to intersectionality and a certain feminist bias in favor of any perceived underdog. For example, on Reddit's Two X Chromosome sub, you'll be instantly banned for being critical of trans policies.

Note that trans people are wildly over-represented as mods and admins of websites. It's a strategy they pursue. Get in there, and ban anyone who dares say anything you don't like.

[–]RedEyedWarrior 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

As a gay man, I can go on and on about how corrupt the gay rights movements have been. Some gay men are utter creeps whose lives evolve around a certain fetish. Some gay men are paedophiles or defend paedophiles. Some gay men are vapid cretins who pander to heterosexual women and encourage these women to be spoilt drama queens. Some gay men wholeheartedly support the transgender movement even though this movement destroys our own communities and society in general. None of those gay men speak for me, but those gay men are loud, obnoxious and powerful. They dominate everything they get involved it and ruin it. Gay men like Owen Jones, Scott Weiner, Dan Savage, Benjamin Cohen, Milo Yiannopoulus and those cumbrains who did the "dick or dildo" challenge on YouTube are the worst types of people, let alone the worst types of homosexual men. They make me embarrassed to be gay, and they make western civilisation an embarrassment.

[–]pesos 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

LOL, Cumbrains!

[–]RedEyedWarrior 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Too many people are like that, which is why western civilisation is in decline.

[–]jet199 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I was reading an article about lgb rights history the other day and the line which jumped out was "lesbians were interested in the politics, gay men wanted to cruise."

If they don't care about their own rights don't expect them to care about yours.

[–]fuck_reddit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That’s wildly incorrect.

[–]pesos 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Everywhere you turn, gay men are there with their trans sisters to hijack all groups and make it all about themselves even with topics that have nothing to do with them. It's annoying and old. They need to back off and stop acting like the world revolves around them. Lesbians need to stop supporting gay men in these organizations that tell them to shut up too. You have every right to not trust them. Look what they do with their power. Try to impose their fantasies on everyone else while crying oppression if you disagree. A totalitarian Marxist movement.

[–]RedEyedWarrior 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I used to be strongly supportive of transgender rights a few years ago when I was an ignorant buffoon. Not anymore. I definitely don’t support transgender rights anymore. Unfortunately, I’m definitely an outlier among gay men, because most gay men support transgenders. Mostly because they’re not affected by this gender nonsense. At least not yet.

I also want to add that a lot of gay men are pussies. Something to do with the fact that a lot of them often have bad relationships with their fathers or were mothered too much, which makes it harder for gay men to accept the fact that the world is a tough and unfair place, and causes gay men to have empathy for those who don’t deserve it. This is also why so many gay men can’t handle responsibility. Those specific gay men get involved in the media and activism, and they get to have a lot of influence over young gay men who are just starting to come out. This is why so many gay men are Marxist, neoliberal simps for transgenders, economic migrants, authoritarianism and corporate consumerism. It’s just sad to see that. This is why a lot of people in western society don’t like gays. Not a nice thing to say, but it’s true.

[–]hfxB0oyA 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Naw, they were just the canary in the coal mine of a broader oncoming societal collapse.