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[–]DirewolfGhost 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

If you can see souls you may want to speak to your doctor. Its also animal nature (at least among mammals and birds), not simply human nature. I hear unicorns went extinct because Noah didn't make sure the pair he got were straight.

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Very cute. I know it's found in nature, because that is nature's way of ensuring that these degenerates will not reproduce. Do you have a point?

[–]DirewolfGhost 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you only see from the individual level, yes the individual genes residing in an animal that does not reproduce will not propagate. If you see it from an evolutionary biology (population) perspective it is apparent that it does not cause dead ends for a population. Mammals and birds engage in the behavior and they are successful at the population level. This makes it an inherent part of nature. It is degenerative at a population level only in the same way dead skin falls away exposing new skin at the individual level.

I suppose an excess of this exhibited behavior could be compared to eczema or leprosy given how you view the situation. However following the analogy, would you blame your flesh for its state if you were to suffer the disease? Also, who are you as an individual to judge what level of this natural phenomena is appropriate for society? As an individual, if you were given complete dictatorial power, how would you choose to combat this self-perceived scourge that ecologically creates space for those of different lineages you find less repulsive?

If I had eczema, I would focus on reducing the circumstances that cause flare-ups of this degenerative nature. I do find society to be structured in a way that creates much unnecessary suffering. There is a lack of community that has emerged from the degeneration of Christianity as a widespread social glue. "Don't lie", "don't steal" and "believe in the system (god, historically, was a symbol for the system)" are all crumbling. What steps are you taking in the world to help with this lack? (This question can be rhetorical or an invitation or a challenge depending on how you view it.) Faith without works is dead after all, wouldn't you agree? I have my works.

I guess my point is you are projecting your anger onto a perceived symptom rather than a cause. You come with no solution and negativity to something you see as a self-resolving problem and you cause division. I personally find those projecting anger and disgust where it will not help to be a symptom of lack of critical thinking in this society. Probably stems from our obedience oriented indoctrination camps (both public and private) during the youth's developmental years.

If we all could think a little deeper, work towards what we perceive as possible and blame a little less I'd wager things would improve. But what do I know. I'm just some dude on the internet.

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People alway point out animals....

I work with a dog breeder/trainer. Yes, dogs hump each other. It is pure horniness, and they definitely feel shame when they do it. I have seen it happen so many times. One dog starts the humping, realizes what he is doing, then stops. Every time. I know some dogs who are trapped in an apartment all the time with another male dog, and that might end up being a common occurrence (like prison sex, not natural, a forced necessity for the dogs) but that is not natural. Females dogs hump when they are in heat. So, hormones.

It is never because they are gay. Or because they are consciously making the decision to fuck because of pleasure. They are getting the primal desire to mate and choose the nearest thing to do it. If it is a female dog, it might go on for a while. Males dogs never finish if they are humping another male. They will go limp-dick and stop, because it is unnatural. The only dogs that I know of who break this are trapped apartment dogs who seem broken in more ways than one.

I have seen thousands of dogs. I know what I am talking about with this one. People might be able to use another animal to prove your point about gayness being in nature, but in dogs, gayness is a reaction and not an action. They are not choosing to be gay, nor are they born gay (which is what gay humans try to peddle). They get the same urge a gay man gets to fuck something, and they turn to the nearest flesh. The difference is that the free, healthy dog feels shame and stops.