Ruqqus: A Retrospective

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[–][deleted] 11 insightful - 6 fun11 insightful - 5 fun12 insightful - 6 fun -  (17 children)

If they signed up for some reason, the algo recommended them nothing but Nazi guilds. "Welcome to Ruqqus, here's some cool guilds you should join: +HitlerWasRight, +NationalSocialism, +NIGGER, +NIGGERS, +JewishQuestion," etc. And this isn't hyperbolic, those were real guilds that all new users were immediately told to join by a site message.

Whoops, hahaa

[–]magnora7[S] 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

Yeah, it got voated, and in record time too lol

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

they were high for not seeing it coming, and for not having the old 'default subs' showing on a /s/subscribed feed for new and logged out users. it is such the huge admin editorial touch, but they just didnt have these things.

[–]magnora7[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Yeah I agree with your analysis. It seems like they lacked those technical aspects and then the culture splintered as a result. And then they just decided to call it quits because they were emotionally overwhelmed, rather than try and clean it up for the remaining normal users. It seemed like they were trying to move the direction of cleaning it up, but did it too suddenly which backfired massively and all the free speech people left as a result, and the ruqqus admins felt like they had destroyed their own site. Removing this type of content should've been more gradual, if that's the way they wanted to go. Which could've happened with technical approaches like you mentioned. But then seeing the massive community backlash after the sudden cleanup I think they were just like "screw this" and shut down the whole site because they didn't want to do it anymore and they felt only a few of the intended users remained. That's kind of my read on the situation.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

yep, there's no way to clean it up or walk it back. you were smart to never call this place a free speech site.

[–]magnora7[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

yeah we dodged that bullet

[–]mahavishnunj 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

I went there once, that's exactly why I never went back.

[–]shilldetector 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I wouldn't be surprised if the site was a form of honeytrap. Reddit banned a lot of edgy alt right meme subs that had persisted for months, even years by playing a game of cat and mouse with the mods. In their heyday some of these subs were the most popular ones on reddit, and ironically even helped build up the site, so they had a huge following.

Once reddit had a mass banning it was assumed these subs would just pick up and move somewhere else and would probably quickly become nearly as popular as they had on reddit. It's possible the admin at ruqqus intentionally welcomed them onto their site knowing they would eventually hand control of them over to AHS trolls from reddit, which for the subs was a fate worse than banning and ensured they would be destroyed once and for all.

I'm not sure if these subs eventually reconstituted elsewhere, but they lived on for a time as zombie subs that carpathian and other AHS/ADL types wore as some kind of a skin suit while they gloated until the site finally died. I cant say for sure the whole thing was a trap, but some of the admins behavior certainly points in that direction.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Great points. It is very strange that Ruqqus is letting carpathianflorist have the last word on Ruqqus, and advertise his new ruqqus clone rdrama.net.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Had to be. You don'tjsut delete everythign like that.It was likely a surviellance operation.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Yep - this note and those last paragraphs are especially informative. Saidit might at some point want to debate what is acceptable hate speech, or rather, what is an acceptable method of hate speech. I doubt averyone will agree, but it's an important conversation. /s/debatealtright have their own ideas on this, which may be a place to initially consider, as that sub has evolved and developed its rules over the past two years.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

hate speech is just speech, it's already covered by the pyramid imo

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

some speech, which is calm, logical, backed by evidence, not insults, is called hate speech by many.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I hadn't thought of that. It makes me think that /s/debatealtright is essentially /s/ad_hominem . But this is obviously deemed acceptable hate speech on Saidit, with a genuine interest in validating racist approaches. I would think that kind of discussion should continue, especially if there will be genuine debate about racist topics, which however I never see. Everyone seems to agree in DAR. Such a polite group, unencumbered by non-whites. Not that I want to bother you with any of this. I'm just thinking about DAR.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

DAR follows site policy. I encourage you to live and let live. Everyone has the right to communicate with their fellow humans.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I am. My comment is about Ruqqus and hate speech. As you know, I am not trying to change anything.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

As I know? You were just trying to convince me that the entire sub of DAR is ad hominem and thus not allowed according to the pyramid.

if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I note regularly in my comments that I do not want to change Saidit. (I am here because of the debates and for curiosity. That's it. If you look at PMs from 3 months ago you'll see my PM to you about moderatinng /s/politics, where I noted: "As mentioned to you before, I do not have an agenda to change Saidit, as I want to see what people really think here." If I want something to change, I note it explicitly with: 'there there should not be so much bullying at Saidit', or similar. On the question of hate speech, that's just a question, not a suggestion or recommendation.) BTW - on a slightly different subject - you noted favorite books in the chat recently. I recommend Nietzsche's 'Beyond Good and Evil'. It's not sci-fi, but an interesing read that I think would interest many of us here at Saidit.