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[–]zyxzevn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

-- No experiment has ever actually seen an atom in two places at once

"Photons" can show up at multiple places at once, or not at all.
The experiments all show that "photons" are just the false interpretation of waves
https://thescienceanalyst.substack.com/p/quantum-physics-has-been-falsified

[–]ZephirAWT[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

"Photons" can show up at multiple places at once, or not at all.

There is a catch though, because photons are massless particles without dense core like neutrinos or even heavier particles. So that photons don't count as an argument too much. In dense aether model even photons have relativistic mass and core (compare also de Broglie's double quantization model in this regard, they're formed with wave function within wave function) so that their location can be defined, but the energy density of this core is low with compare the rest of photon so that it doesn't prohibit delocalization of photon.

[–]zyxzevn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Just drop the whole idea of Photons.
It is a theoretical concept with no basis in reality.
The only reason Photons were invented, was because Einstein misinterpreted the photo-electric effect.
He made a systematic error, and his experiment was falsified.

[–]ZephirAWT[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Just drop the whole idea of Photons

In dense aether model photons are real and they're analogy of Russell's solitons at the water surface. They result from interaction of harmonic Maxwell wave with quantum noise background of vacuum. After all, how would you explain gamma ray photons passing the spark chamber? It's evident that such a highly energetic photons propagate through space more like isolated particles (vortex rings) rather than waves.

[–]zyxzevn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

To inspire a new idea.

Those sparks in the video are cosmic rays. Rays of cosmic particles, like muons.

The first link I posted shows the improved experiment that shows that the photo-electric effect can not be caused by photon-particles.

The photon itself is not a thing, and makes a simple thing extremely complicated.

Just think about how the electric field can be constant.
While there is no photon, because there is no electromagnetic wave.
So there is something that transfers force without any photon.
Then why use a photon at all.

[–]ZephirAWT[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

While there is no photon, because there is no electromagnetic wave

You see, dismissal of one concept leads you into dismissal of another ones, even more problematic...

[–]zyxzevn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Let me explain it clearer:

The photon, according to the model, is one or more electromagnetic waves.
The photon is the packet transfer of energy, Can also transfer momentum.
It is used to model the change of an electron-shell in an atom, called the photo-electric effect.
Without the wave there is no photon.

But a photon is also claimed to be a force-particle that transfers force.
But that is a complete different thing.
In a constant electric field, there is no wave and no transfer of energy.
So no photon exists.

To solve this problem, the "virtual photon" was invented.
And the idea is that these come and disappear from random interaction with the quantum foam.
There need to be infinite amounts of virtual photons to make an electron follow a
well defined path around an atom.
Finite random interactions can never create a constant well defined force.
To make the hypothesis work in practice you need a field of virtual photons.

If quantum-foam "randomness" would cause a force, it is not random at all.
But caused by some field, making one direction happen more often than others.
So we get a form of a circular reasoning.
First the photon is used to explain the electric field.
But now we also need random virtual photons that follow a different field of randomness.
So where does that field of randomness come from?
Are there quantum-foam randomness-particles spreading the different distributions of randomness?

Why not simply use the electric field to begin with?

And based on all observational data from experiments:
Why ever use photons at all?

The only experiment that was used to claim the existence of photons
was falsified using high-energy photons.
The photo-electric effect does not work anymore at high energy levels.
So photons do not exist..

[–]ZephirAWT[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So photons do not exist

OK, thanks for elucidation, you had a points. So virtual photons do not exist you wanted to say. Don't throw the bathwater out with the baby..