There's some censorship going on in the newly popular feminist subs and it needs to be openly addressed.

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[–]goodbyeplanet 42 insightful - 2 fun42 insightful - 1 fun43 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

they'll get bored and go away over time

You assume they view us as people. They do not. The internet pro-male ideologue as we experience them is usually a male suffering from psychosis and delusions of grandeur. He is convinced that women are objects, and women who center women are simply in need of breaking in. They will do anything to "teach us a lesson"; look at the incel crime sprees, the rape of lesbians, and the number of men who want to renounce women's rights.

We do not have the privilege of assuming harmlessness when our beliefs are the sworn enemy of every cumbrain who uses gendered jingoism to escape his own flaws. We are trying to wake women up from being willingly abused by men and abusive men don't like that at all.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

You assume they view us as people. They do not.

Can you be certain? Almost everyone went to school with members of the opposite sex. It's difficult to imagine they forgot you're human.

I agree that there are some who will ceaselessly and mercilessly agitate anyone who responds to their foolishness.

He is convinced that women are objects, and women who center women are simply in need of breaking in. They will do anything to "teach us a lesson"; look at the incel crime sprees, and the number of men who want to renounce women's rights.

These guys exist, but I suspect they're disproportionally overrepresented; similar to transwomen (men).

There's plenty of evidence of divide and conquer activity in these crazy times. Forces are aggressively polarising group differences to create internal conflict.

Nothing will be solved if we don't have the freedom of thought and communication to fully articulate and address each groups concerns.

We are trying to wake women up from being willingly abused by men and abusive men don't like that at all.

I'm not your enemy.

The world is full of problems. We need all the help we can get.

[–]goodbyeplanet 20 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

can you be certain

The Men's Rights subreddit had a poll about "at what age did you realize women don't deserve rights" yesterday, and dehumanizing women has historically been and still is a keystone ideology for patriarchial belief structures, so yes.

anyone who responds

You must understand that they do not get off on responses. They get off on validation for their posts on external male communities, and the general spirit of demotivating ebil feminazis. It's not about us at all, and as such our behaviour does not change theirs.

disproportionate

Yes, but these men are drawn to us like flies to honey. That's the point. We don't hate men, since men like r/gendercriticalguys exist and are cool. But normal men don't seek out women to harass, these guys do. It's just part of the Rad Fem Experience.

D&C

Yeah I know. But women's freedom to discuss women's issues is essential. We fought long and hard to be viewed as people, and are not going to give that up. We will be content when women have, at the very least, equal say and equal power worldwide.

Have you seen the misogyny on the internet? The list of subs they didn't ban? They are influental, and outnumber us by the thousands.

Gender dynamics is, I would say, a far more critical issue in the long term for the survival of our species than the politics of the US, although the collapse of the latter would negatively impact the former. Personally I'd say it's too late, but my other political takes are usually reserved for non-feminist accounts due to risk of doxxing.

Freedom of communication

As I said elsewhere, I am all for opening the sub for general questions once our numbers are back to normal. But right now, there's maybe 1 radical feminist capable of answering questions for every 1000 questions.

I am not your enemy

I'd go to say that any man who does not call out the influence of those men is complicit, as he still benefits from the system.

[–]BobQuixote 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'd go to say that any man who does not call out the influence of those men is complicit, as he still benefits from the system.

I was tracking until this. Give me a target and I'll make the decision myself. If I disagree with you, I can understand the charge of complicity. But if I'm supposedly complicit for being ignorant then I don't want what you're selling.

[–]goodbyeplanet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's not a question of complicit because of ignorance. But there's plenty of men who see the issues in front of them and elect to ignore it, or assume it is a female-specific behaviour because females are some sort of incomprehensible Other, while benefitting from that behaviour.