Families in disbelief after hundreds of bodies found buried behind Mississippi jail

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[–]Hematomato 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

We know, based on the records from the coroner's office, that, since 2016, in the last eight years, we can identify 215 individuals that were buried behind that jail, and their families have not been notified. Furthermore, Mr. Wade was number 672. That means there are 671 other people buried behind that jail marked with only a number.

Fucking Hell, it just keeps getting worse. No only has it been going on right up to today, but apparently they didn't even keep track of who the first 450 or so even were.

[–]no_u 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's amazing that this isn't bigger national and international news. It's literally a mass murder case.

[–]jet199[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because the police in question don't fit the narrative

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

last time i heard about a nigger getting buried (after the police ranhim over LMAO) they TRIED to contact the family but the bitchmom wouldn't get in contact with th epolice when they left her messages. Probably unrelated.

[–]GuyWhite 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

TND. Jackson is a nigger shithole. 80% niggers.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (27 children)

How not a single person cared to notice they were gone.

[–]weavilsatemyface 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (26 children)

Actual reality:

The American Injustice Department intentionally moves prisons as far as way from population centres as they can, then transfers felons as far from their friends and family as possible. They make it as hard as possible for people on the outside to stay in touch with inmates, especially if they are poor or working class. This makes rehabilitation less effective, and perpetuates the vicious circle that once you enter the criminal justice system it is very hard to leave. Consequently there are thousands of people in prison that have completely lost touch with everyone outside the prison system. They are out of sight and out of mind, which is precisely how the system is designed to work.

(Personal anecdote: the daughter of a close family friend got in trouble with the law -- drug possession -- and with the greatest will in the world, I only managed to write to her three times and visit her twice in eight years. I'm not proud of it, but that's how it works.)

The answer Americans want to hear:

Because they're all nigger animals and white trash, and deserve everything that we do to them.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

Exceptions aside, most criminals are friends with criminals and those associations enable criminality. Contact with outside criminal elements will cause an increase in violence inside and outside of the prison as gangs will use their people on the inside to exact revenge and vice versa.

When a drug addict leaves a rehab facility they are far more likely to relapse if they go back to the same life vs moving to a new city. Same with criminality. All those people certainly didn't keep them from crime before.

[–]weavilsatemyface 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

Most people in prison are not professional criminals or part of "the criminal class". They're ordinary folks like you and me who have done something wrong, usually in a moment of weakness or stupidity, or who are being punished for a victimless crime.

(Or at least that's how they first entered the prison system.)

The existence of the "criminal class" is a one of those lies we as a society tell ourselves to justify our failures.

Of course individuals commit crimes, and some individuals even commit crimes out of preference rather than necessity. But those criminals exist in all social and economic classes, from the lowest to the highest. (The main difference is that upperclass criminals have people to do their dirty work for them.) There is no single class of people who consistently commit crime unless society makes it impossible for them to thrive in a law-abiding manner.

In terms of prison, it is well-known that punitive prison systems (those which are designed with punishment as the main focus instead of rehabilitation) act to simply turn regular folks into hardened criminals. The harsher the prison, the harder the criminals become.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Most people in prison are not professional criminals or part of "the criminal class". They're ordinary folks like you and me who have done something wrong, usually in a moment of weakness or stupidity, or who are being punished for a victimless crime.

Completely wrong. You clearly don't know people who have been to prison.

There are a handful of innocent people in prison, like the Jan 6 protesters. While I think weed should be legal, you aren't innocent if you go to jail for selling it. And the people selling it have already decided that the criminal life is for them and the break any law they think they can get away with.

The existence of the "criminal class" is a one of those lies we as a society tell ourselves to justify our failures

It is what I have seen growing up poor in a big city.

The main difference is that upperclass criminals have people to do their dirty work for them.

That is nothing but propaganda. The criminals in the upper class are the exception. There is a very very different perception of integrity, morality, honesty, loyalty, and personal responsibility between the classes of people. It is not a hard rule but the spectrum is shifted just like IQ.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

In terms of prison, it is well-known that punitive prison systems (those which are designed with punishment as the main focus instead of rehabilitation) act to simply turn regular folks into hardened criminals. The harsher the prison, the harder the criminals become.

There is no evidence that soft prisons work better. Prison is a deterrent.

[–]weavilsatemyface 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

There is no evidence that soft prisons work better. Prison is a deterrent.

And Jan 6 was an insurrection, the Covid vaccines are safe and effective, and a man can turn into a woman by putting on a dress and makeup.

There is a ton of evidence from Finland that "soft" (your word, not mine) prisons work better. They switched over from the harsh, punitive, Russian-style prison system that emphasised punishment and didn't even know the word "rehabilitation" to a more enlightened, rehabilitation-based system in the 1970s, and never looked back. Recidivism rates dropped enormously, prison costs fell, and crime rates fell.

The majority of prisoners in Finland are kept in low-security open prisons, including murderers considered to be at low risk of reoffending.

In Norway, recidivism rates fell from 60-70% (typical for punitive-style prisons) to just 20% after introducing a similar system.

In terms of deterrent, there is plenty of evidence that the threat of punishment is not an effective deterrent. What really deters people is the consideration that they will be caught. People who think they won't be caught are not deterred by the threat of punishment, no matter how harsh. (Well duh.)

There is a ton of research which shows that imprisonment has, at best, no effect on the rate of re-offending and often results in increased recidivism. Imprisonment for some crimes may be necessary for the safety of the community, but it's not going to rehabilitate criminals or deter people from committing crimes, and it often pushes people into a cycle of crime and prison.

Harsher prison sentences don't deter crimes. If they did, the jails of 18th century Britain, or of Tzarist and Soviet Russia, would have been empty.

Most crimes are not carefully thought-out, rational calculations that balance the potential gain versus the potential punishment. The average crackhead is not making rational calculations about cost and benefit before committing a robbery. The average 20 y.o. tradie, drunk as a skunk on Friday night at a nightclub with his mates, doesn't carefully weigh up the satisfaction of walloping that bloke who gave him cheek versus time in prison for assault and battery before getting into a punch-up. Nearly all murders are spur of the moment things committed in the grip of strong emotions, not the result of rational calculation that might be deterred by harsh punishment.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

evidence from Finland

Evidence from Finland only applies to Finland because demographics, genetics, and culture are the driving factors and all vary widely between countries.

[–]weavilsatemyface 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

People are people everywhere in the world. There's nothing special about Finland except a willingness to actually think about human psychology instead of giving in to knee-jerk revenge fantasies.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Wrong.

Provably wrong.

Obviously wrong.

Undeniably wrong.

[–]weavilsatemyface 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Oh well with evidence like that, how can I argue?

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[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Good prisons shouldn't be by population centers

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I disagree.

Good prisons should be in population centres. Of course I don't mean right in the centre of prime residential areas, but they should be no more than an hour's travel by bus. Close enough that inmates can receive visitors, which keeps them grounded and focused on something to look forward too, helps them keep to good behaviour. Especially for parents in prison who can get regular visits from their children.

Of course this assumes that our aim with prisons is to protect society and rehabilitate people who break the law so they don't break the law any more and become productive members of society. If your aim is to have a permanent underclass of criminalised neo-slaves to work for corporations for $2 a day, then sure, we should put prisons as far away as possible.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

No make it as hard on inmates as possible.

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Hard times make hard men.

You really want hardened criminals on the streets? Yeah, you're not trying to solve the problem of crime. You're trying to make it worse so you have an excuse to be cruel to people while still feeling good about yourself.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Keep em in jail

Rehabilitation never happens

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Rehabilitation never happens

That's even stupider than people who think that a man magically turns into a woman by putting on a dress and lipstick. That's so obviously false that you could get a job doing PR for the Israeli army.

Even in ludicrously dysfunctional justice systems like the USA, the recidivism rate is just 60% not 100%.

In more sensible places like Finland and Norway, it's just 20%.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's genetic, can't be learned. Just no impulse control.