Houston PD Shoot, Kill Man While He Was on His Knees, Claims He Charged At Them

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[–]Canbot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Literally 2 seconds into the video.

The guy recording it even says "oh shit, there he goes". Right before the first shot.

[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Yes that's when they fired the beanbags and tasers at him. But for the last 10 seconds or so, he didn't really make any significant movements.

He certainty wasn't charging them the moment he was shot, that was like 20 seconds prior, and he had sat back down...

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I can't tell what they fired but I certainly wouldn't trust you to tell me after you clearly tried to act like the guy was compliant and never tried to charge them.

The guy never complies with orders to get on the ground. At the end right before the barrage of fire it looks like he pulled something out. But it is mashed potato quality footage. Based on this footage, as far as I can tell, he very well could have had a gun.

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

He was apparently running around threatening to stab people, so it seems much more likely he had a knife than a gun.

Either way, it doesn't justify an execution.

[–]Canbot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Calling it an execution really doesn't leave any room for honest, reasonable conversation.

Obviously in a world of tazers, that should be the first thing they use. Just as a general rule. But to say that if they didn't that automatically makes it murder is not reasonable. This is an extremely short video of an extremely long encounter, anyone drawing damning conclusions from it is unreasonable. Maybe the guy was having a bad day, maybe he is a violent POS that goes around attacking people and just happens to have survived this long on luck. Maybe the cops tired everything they could think of to diffuse the situation, maybe they were callous, trigger happy, power hungry POS who were salivating at the opportunity to kill someone.

Literally nothing can be cleared up with this edited, grainy as fuck video. In the hands of a different person they would claim it shows big foot or a UFO.

I would stand with you to call for an investigation, demand that body cams be released, follow up with family etc. But anything more is simply not reasonable.

[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I would stand with you to call for an investigation, demand that body cams be released, follow up with family etc. But anything more is simply not reasonable.

I mean I agree. But the fact is they're going to drag the court case out for months until everyone forgets, and then simply fire the police officer and then re-assign him to another district as they have done for unwarranted police killings in the past. It's not like this is something new.

[–]Canbot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Police accountability is definitely a problem we should work on. There should be a watchdog group that has a full time staff with lawyers and investigators who can keep track of this and organize campaigns to pass new laws and regulations on police conduct. I am normally pro union but public sector unions have gone too far in eliminating accountability. It really will take new legislation to reign them in.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is one starting, James Freeman is a big part of the movement. They're part of the group that built and brought the huge guillotine to the Texas courthouse last year iirc, he still has the live stream on his channel.

They're now known as "first amendment audits". His channel was small when he started, but now he's traveled the USA and has a whole watchdog group put together and visits every PD and courthouse in each state and live streams every experience. If he's in a state and cops try pulling shady shit on him, literally, 10 people will come out of no where with cameras and start live streaming and the police will change their behavior quick. He didn't have that power before.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCF7vSikMWThKp3Zhc2PdAmg

And he isn't one of those YouTubers or people who harass police officers or go looking for trouble for views. He just minds his business and hopes for peace while live streaming his visitations. And if police officers are good or a county has a good dept./courthouse, he's honest about it. He doesn't hide it. He also always tries to deescalate if there is a sour situation first.

[–]Thorium_Reactor 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It looked like he was reaching into his pocket.