Pink Pill liberated me.

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[–]Immortallogic 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Beautifully written, thanks for saying all of this.

It's so liberating to unlearn alot of what socialization teaches and realize that the marriage/kids trope is not necessary at all. Life becomes much fuller and full of opportunities. Time to spend with family and friends, give back to the community and help those in need, have adventures and invest in self growth.

I think you make some good points about WGTOW. I do like (on the reddit sub at least), that the women talk there about things not related to men, about just bettering themselves etc .... (Similar to femalelevelupstrategy). I agree PPF can be a bit doom and gloom, but I see it less as giving up and more as exposing reality for what it is.

I think the blackpillfeminism crew have given up (I think they state that in their beliefs pointedly), which I don't agree with. We still have to try to help other girls and women.... Realizing the system sucks most of the time for women is liberation, but the next step shouldn't be saying "F it, it's biological, I give up". It should be, how can we a) change the system, or b) Help other women realize the system sucks and protect themselves. That's why I choose PPF over BPF. With regards to FDS I think it's becoming more and more radfem leaning which is just amazing. They already don't support sex positivity and porn which is just glorified sexualization, and I personally think that many of those women are going to eventually realize that guys are not worth it and just stop eventually. So I'm actually glad its targeted towards women who've not given up on men because the market is so big for it, and these women are realizing that 90% or more of men are just useless using them for their emotional or sexual labor.

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You're right about Black Pill being the "given up" ones and Pink Pill being less so, and the energy is definitely different between the two. I guess I'm saying that at this point I'm not sure where to turn to regarding an online community. For me, it's not really about changing the system necessarily or helping other women realize it sucks. I really don't like forcing reality onto women who aren't ready to face it. They're on their own timeline. It's like what you said about women over at FDS, they haven't given up on men and FDS caters to that. But I'm past it and it gets pretty annoying seeing comments that are so male-centric and desperate about finding a partner. So I'm torn between sort of holding their hand and taking them down the rabbit hole slowly, and just saying "fuck it" altogether. I suppose though that any sort of contribution to that sub about the depravity of men helps, so yeah, I can get on that. But I still feel out of place.

Someone today there said "there's nothing wrong with wanting a man"... in my opinion there definitely is. Because why? Why would ANY WOMAN in her right mind want a man? I simply do not understand it. And I mean that literally, I don't get it. There's nothing I get from a relationship with a man. He has everything to gain and I have everything to lose. I'm not even a lesbian, and I find sex with men repulsive because they're rapists and I don't want to be penetrated by unworthy, unwashed dick. My clitoris does fine on its own. I also don't want kids. And I recognize that marriage is for men, always has been. So what is left? They are incapable of intimacy. Again, what is there? These women are still living in a fairy tale and it grosses me out. There's too much to undo. Relationships with men were mainly invented by men for their own benefit. That's it. Outside of procreation, we're not really "meant" to be with them.

As far as WGTOW goes, I do understand that the name is important because for so long women's identity has been tied to men. But it still really bothers me, because it sort of perpetuates that relationship by practically announcing "I don't need men, let's talk about it". No. It's a given that I don't need men. Do we need a name for people who drink water? It's absurd to me.

Now I'm talking about the West when I say this: now that we are not financially dependent on men, most of the oppression holding us back are beliefs and attitudes about women and ourselves as women. The world will take a long time to catch up, but as an individual I'm already there. Again, I feel out of place. I can't emphasize that enough. My reality is full of opportunities to live a great life and I've already started. So rather than changing the system and helping other women, I just want to succeed in my own way free from all the bullshit. At the same time, I know that I live here, right now. And the rest of the world isn't as evolved as I want it to be. So I just don't know what to do.

I'm venting at this point. Had to get these feelings out because they were eating away at me.

[–]missdaisycan 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The simplest answer can be the hardest to accept. And you already have it! Be yourself; live your life. That's it. There really isn't much more than that. You don't have to do anything other than that. In time, small numbers of women will mentally get to where you are. Without you even being aware, you may be a living example of another path to a girl, or another woman. Just by being you.

You say you feel like an exception. In this regard, right? Wonderful!! Feel that. Hopefully, you'll come to peace with that feeling. Or at least coexist with it. That's one path to "wise crone"hood, so to speak. Your experiences and knowledge will be needed. Find other connections with people. They don't have to be like you to be friends, do they? (okay, maybe remember to be joyous and grateful, when you're ready. You have your path, and may choose to sidestep drama and trouble in the form of males. Not every woman is capable of that. Good on you!! I'll celebrate for you now, before you can for yourself. Signed, another woman who has been, and continues, on that "I am enough/all I need" path. Edit tried to clarify