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[–]IridescentAnaconda 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

I am curious which group you have found is the most toxic?

[–]Tiwaking 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

My guess is The moderators. And super moderators

[–]SaidOverRed[S] 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

Oddly enough, yes. Normal users tended to be far more deliberate in their reasoning and responses. But mods tended to reply with non sequiturs that made me initially wonder if they were either trolling, mentally deficient or just plain immature (perhaps teenage) children. It turns out that it was just a result of power dynamics. The believed they could get away with anything and as a result they put no effort into real communication.

And the reason it took so long to deduce this is because this happened no matter what. It would happen when I was agreeing with communities. It would happen when I was disagreeing. It would happen when I was asking simple questions or making simple statements. Basically it was pure whim and their various "rules" were merely a guise, invoked afterward for flimsy justifications.

[–]GConly 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I once got shadowbanned from the whole site by a mod because I won an argument with him and embarrassed him. Years ago now.

It was the only way he could have the entire argument removed without trace.

[–]SaidOverRed[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Well keep in mind that of the set of all "toxic" subs, I was only interested in investigating a subset of them. Firstly they would have to be popular. This doesn't actually narrow things down much, contrary to what people might expect.

Secondly, it couldn't be a porn-posting community. Again people tend to think these communities are highly likely to be bad, but a preliminary search showed that that was not actually the case. Perhaps more surprisingly was that the /r/coomers sub, which was the most vocal anti-porn sub, was removed while the porn-allowing subs were generally protected. This probably indicates some site-wide bias or business decision, but I'll leave that up to the reader.

Thirdly it had to be a community that was already suspected of being distrusted. So it's entirely possible that a large sub such as /r/backpacking is actually the worst of them all, but since no one thought to warn anyone else, I simply never looked.

So among the popular (so no /r/kansas), yet distrusted, non-porn subs, it turns out that if I had to "clump" them then it is looking like it will turn out to be the fairly generic cultural bias. I'm sure everyone here probably already suspects, but I'll wait until I can be sure. The reason I'm leaning towards that is because I managed to find a sub that practiced the single worst mod actions I had ever seen: they would bait users into giving normal responses and then secretly ban them in order to waste user's time talking to no one until the user realized there was no more engagement. Every single other subs was brave enough to merely ban a person when their groupthink was challenged. That shows pettiness, but people sort of expect that from reddit. But this mod was so fragile that debate inside of a debate sub was no longer allowed if it appeared the "other side" might win.

[–]NeedMoreCoffee 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

So you posted all this without posting your "findings" ? What sub are you talking about? What group is most toxic and or the opposite?

[–]SaidOverRed[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Tons of subs. Every non-porn quarantined subreddit I could get my hands on at the time (this was their second wave of mass quarantinings if that helps. Saidit will give me a nice list of subs I follow but I'm not aware of reddit doing that. Do you have a wave to easily export said list?

[–]humancorpse 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (8 children)

i think that the OP is well aware of what his intentions are. He is here because he knows that saidit is an EXCLUSIVELY TRANSGENDERED FORUM COMMUNITY and he is here to act like a BIGOT TRANSPHOBE and a RACISS.

[–]SaidOverRed[S] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

I do not follow. Perhaps I'm being too rational. I gather this is something about trolling?

But yes AHS has been invaluable to find subs that the reddit admins often target. Their posts often use nonsense words like that.

[–]humancorpse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

i am not sure what this tactic is that i am using above is, but it is when i believe against something so firmly that i will speak about it like it is a good thing.

i am sure there is a name for this tactic.

[–]jet199 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Steelman?

[–]humancorpse 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

who is steelman? oh, oprah's husband steadman.

[–]SaidOverRed[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

On second reading, after the explanation, I see now. Perhaps 'Sarcastic imitation?' I'm not satisfied with that phrase, but it makes it easier to explain quickly.

[–]LordJackass 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I believe this is why the "/s" denotation is necessary sometimes. Often times when communicating through text, tone can all too often be found lacking and sarcasm be taken too seriously. An unfortunate side effect, however sometimes insane ramblings can be so over the top that it's effective at communicating that it's actually sarcasm within the message.

I think it would be a worthwhile endeavor to research exactly where this threshold is, as abstract and hard to nail down as it may be...

[–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Honestly, Ed. We all know you can do better, but you simply have to try. Half-assed shit like this earns no ones respect. I'd much rather respond with complements and adulation than this bullshit. It's really not that hard to earn our respect.

[–]jet199 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Oh noes, not bigoted transphobes and racists in our saidit safe space.

This is actual violence.

(That means we can beat him up.)

[–]Bigs 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

My only question is why do you bother?

[–]SaidOverRed[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

The only way to be sure if there was something else going on was to test. Plus, way back when, T_D was pretty amusing. Now it's just keeping my finger on the pulse since reddit is still the 8th biggest site for the US. But like I said, I'm getting bored of it.

[–]dissidentrhetoric 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

haha what? double blinded on reddit banning methodology? haha

You know fuck reddit i say, those cunts can get blood clots all fucking day. libertarian socialists especially.

[–]hfxB0oyA 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Let me know when you post your findings

[–]IkeConn 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

I moderate several subreddits. I have never seen a shadowban button anywhere.

[–]dikkeman2 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Do you see a lot of "spam" posts incorrectly removed, I do.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Why would that button be available to a lowely janitor?

[–]IkeConn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You tell me. You seem to more about the job.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You should become a doorman at the federal reserve, then they will give you access to the printing press and you'll be rich! 😅

[–]SaidOverRed[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Can I please get you to look around a bit? Perhaps with edited screenshots of the other 'buttons'?

I originally did not believe it possible until I used a bot to double-check some subreddit-only shadow-banning.