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[–]oofreesouloo 26 insightful - 2 fun26 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

lesbianism is inherently political - its in the definition, we don't center men.

Please, don't. By that logic, every sexual orientation is political lmao. Please, stop associating lesbianism with politics... Sexual orientation is not defined by what we do not center. It is rather defined by what we do center. Two different things.

[–]Innisfree 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I get it, perhaps I should've specified that my statement also comes in the context of European second wave feminism. When they used to say political they meant it not as political partisanship or being left or right, but rather a going against the politics of patriarchy if you will. And this was in the context of civil rights movements, overthrowing patriarchy, the 'blank slate' theory and the European '68 revolutionary spirit of saying that as a minority you are politicised (targeted by authorities) through no will of your own. So for them saying that their orientation was political was a way of taking back power and trying to change the narrative. Yes, those movements were imperfect and had a lot of misconceptions, but it is because they happened that we have more freedom now.

Edit: Oh and specifically to the point of "we don't center men". I am not implying that this is the definition. Coming back to what I said above, in the 60s lesbians saw themselves politicised, that is targeted because they do not center men. So they saw it as the reason they were politicised and consequently the very thing they fought - to be allowed to center women - that is be lesbians in peace. :)

[–]oofreesouloo 23 insightful - 2 fun23 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Excuse me my bluntness, but I really don't care about the history of political lesbianism and all the 'why's'. I'm not a feminist and I'm not interested in being involved in it, though I recognize the importance of feminism in several (not all) aspects. I'm fed up of my sexual orientation, something that is just innate to me and that it just is because it is to be constantly associated with men, men, men for various reasons when it's actually the opposite. I'm a lesbian because I want, desire women, NOT because I do not want men. (EDIT: Obviously, not wanting men is part of being a lesbian, but it isn't the MAIN thing and it seems that many people are constantly preaching the idea that a lesbian is a lesbian because of bad experiences with men and center lesbianism around men all the time ugh)

You're totally free to see your sexual orientation the way it 'fits' you the most, just like I'm also free of not agreeing with a certain standpoint and despising political lesbianism.

[–]lairacunda 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I know, it's so weird defining your lesbianism by what you don't want as opposed to what you do want.