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[–]paleolithicat 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I wasn't aware of this for a long time or somehow didn't want to accept it, but the truth is, it is plain.old.misogyny&patriarchy.

GBT are better presented because they involve men in their lines. Now bare with me.

  1. I recently read a journalistic book which sort of followed the whole development of the "gay issue" politically and socially throughout the last 60-70years (it is called "Global Gay" by Frederic Martel in case you are interested). And what I had to notice is how little lesbian content there was. Yes, there are lesbians in some of those organizations fighting on a political level and so on. Yes, there are lesbians on high level positions who have changed things for the better and fought for the cause. But generally - when the author was travelling in different countries, there were no spaces exclusively for lesbians. There were the gay clubs, the gay spots, the gay bars, the gay this, the gay that (Ok, he is a gay man I believe so ofc he is more interested to visit them but I am pretty sure he would have visited lesbian spaces as well if they actually existed). I live in Europe and I notice that too. We wanted to visit a lgbt club once in Rome while on a trip and security told us it is a gay-only party tonight, so no ladies allowed in. I fully respect that but I want to see the same with no men allowed. I really do.

  2. Have you watched Gaycation with Ellen Page? I was quite happy she did such a format, so I followed it. For those who don't know it, shortly: Ellen Page and a gay pal of hers go to a different country every episode and try to show the LGBT situation in it in the span of 40minutes or so. Why did I watch? I was curious ofc for the general LGBT situation but also purely egoistically, I was super interested in the L-part of things. I actually realized that only later when this part started getting less and less minutes in an episode. At some point it was not more than 5 minutes per episode concentrating on lesbian issues and all the rest was G and T!

There are probably thousand more examples, but slowly I started realizing what you wrote - lesbians have less spaces. Then I thought, it is probably because lesbians don't go out as much or don't party or just aren't the type to form networks like gay men blablabla. But come on - we are writing here right now bc we got KICKED out from our platform in reddit. I created an insta account a few days ago to make relatable lesbian puns targeted at other lesbians in my region - with the idea to use it as a platform to connect lesbians to each other later if it works out (sharing events etc). It got deactivated from instagram on the second day. I have no idea why. It just stopped existing.

Lesbians are women. Women are in a worse position in society. We stop seeing it sometimes because SOME women have it damn good. But when you look at the lesbian situation, you look at the REAL female situation. Because lesbians are fundamentally "free" from anything male.

[–]winterwillow 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you, amazing comment! While there are similarities between gays and lesbians, there are also differences, because we are men and women. Gay men aren't feminists by default, and gay culture isn't lesbian culture by default either.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is the answer. There are tons of men only spaces. I can't think of a single women-only space, lesbian or not. Women are just not allowed to congregate and exclude men.