Late Stage Capitalism Relies On Exploitation

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[–]fishbox 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

so you want to argue that bob should be paid less?

[–]Bigs 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

Heck no, I'm saying that Bob values the money more than his time, or he'd say "Fukit' and find an easier job, or suck cocks or something.

To Bob, that guy Fred is the sucker that pays him $xxx for goofing around "at work". Ultimately, Bob is exploiting the needs and greed of Fred, every bit as much as Fred is exploiting Bob.

It's a mutually-beneficial arrangement they both partake of voluntarily.

[–]fishbox 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Quitting your job is seldom that easy.

[–]Bigs 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

Who said life was easy? Going to work isn't easy, not having a job isn't easy, nothing is easy.

Fact is, we're not talking about slavery here. This is voluntary exchange, where each party exploits the other.

[–]fishbox 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

So if you are stuck in a shit job because of a fucked up system that works against you its your fault?

[–]Bigs 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

I've been "stuck" in shit jobs a few times, and each time managed to wriggle my way out of that situation. More recently (15 yrs ago) I moved to a country where I don't speak the language and don't have a work permit, in a place famous for taking a decade or more to grant residence. Today I'm semi-retired, working part-time for more than most middle-class peeps earn working full-time (by local standards).

Woot :)

You know what pisses me off? When whiny types like you tell me I'm "lucky" to have a beautiful wife and daughter, nice house, a nice yacht, a nice truck, in a nice neighborhood, and only working when I feel like it.

Even a shit job pays enough to buy a book. You can learn stuff with books. When you learn how to help other people get what they want, they'll help you get what you want. Eventually, after a few fuck-ups and embarrassments, you'll figure out how to make enough to buy all of the good books, to take some courses, to learn some useful skills, and you can build on your experience.

Apart from being called "lucky" for working hard to improve yourself and thus your life, the annoying bit is once you've really got everything, the lifestyle, the toys, the money and the time...? Some shit like "covid 19" comes along, or at least the over-reaction to it, and then you really are stuck... And by my age you appreciate time, freedom and your health.

I'm not scared of covid, I'm scared I'll grow even more fucking old before these cunts stop whining about the flu ffs.

*grumpy face

[–]fishbox 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

So you got lucky, or you are full of shit.

[–]Bigs 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

See, that's the brain-dead response that revolts me.

I made my own luck, by learning new things, taking risks, putting myself out there in positions where I could fail badly, or succeed like a pirate.

Every now and then I take a youngster under my wing and explain how I did it. Did that for my niece, and she's now an area manager, doing well with most of her mortage paid off, and she's barely 30. Same girl who told me life sucks and she had no future.

Problem is as people grow older they have less time, and less ability to listen. Nobody is as deaf and blind and the man who doesn't want to hear or see, huh?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Men like you should have sacked up twenty years ago. Maybe these newest generations wouldn't suck so hard if the past two actually raised them, rather than letting society have control.

I agree with what you are saying. My family pulled themselves out of poverty and are doing great now. But they are too busy to read a fucking book, too busy to protect their family from their government. Maybe working hard to pay off your debt isn't the way to go.

Maybe it's taking out scheming debtors?.It's not a virtue to play by rules set in place by pedophiles. You basically have done that, but you'd argue otherwise, I am sure.

My father and I speak about this often. He thinks it is virtuous to work hard, put in your hours, and make some cash.

I think it's virtuous to physically fight against villains. You guys are basically saying "Play the system, cash out. The scam can work for us too."

You do you. If you provide for your family using these profits, then you can readily ignore my statements. Maybe just think about it, though. Everyone talks down on the younger generations, when they rarely ever question their own.

Older generations chose to play ball and nothing changed. This fight won't be won by playing by their rules.

[–]Bigs 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Love you're both spot on and wildly inaccurate at the same time.

My home country, the UK, denied me my rights as a father, denied me any legal contact with my own daughter, denied my right to masculinity itself. It's a major reason I left that cesspit, because I refused to support such a fucked-up system.

So sack up? It was literally illegal for me to do that. Happily the moment she turned 18 I was able to get back in contact, by farcebook. We've been talking almost every day since, for the last 6 years. Seems others told her exactly what happened and my efforts to stay in touch, despite the mother and the biased-as-all-fuckery mix of chivalry and Marxist Feminism. So that's nice?

You can call me an ass for running away, but wrap your head around it - I literally hated, and still hate, the UK. That shitpit can slide into the North Sea and I'd cheer - as long as my daughter got off first.

[–]fishbox 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What kind of work do you do and how did you get into it?

[–]Bigs 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I make it rain.

I'm the rainmaker.