They Know Most People Are Walking Around Half Asleep And Not Paying Any Attention

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[–]Canbot 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Worse than car mechanics. We need transparency and oversight of the medical industry.

[–]redditbegay 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

We NEED to remove 'profit' from healthcare, until these robbers arent gotten rid of, these deaths and exploitation will continue....

[–]Canbot 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Fuck that, your solution is worse than the problem. The VA is absolute fucking garbage. Without a profit motive no one would do anything. Doctors aren't in it for the pats on the back. All we need to do is make sure they aren't scamming the system and actually work for their money.

[–]goatmeal 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

the profit motive would work great for health care if there was transparent pricing and ample competition.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, let's do that!

[–]Iam1ofMany 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Starting in 2021 all hospitals will be required to post their prices online. However, this may create just as much if not more confusion. I have done reporting/analyses on hospitals charges and even for someone who "understands" them it can be very confusing. It really isn't the hospitals fault on the complexity of it all either. It is more due to the government/insurance companies forcing them to certain standards which is a good thing and not a bad thing.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Nonprofits still pay their employees. It's not like just because the business doesn't make a profit that suddenly all of its employees aren't paid. That's not how it works. The idea that removing profit from the healthcare industry equates to not paying anyone is a strawman at best, and dishonest at worst.

And the VA is garbage because it's managed by the government. The free market wouldn't do a good job either, though. It should be a government-funded, veteran-owned cooperative. We need populist solutions, not capitalist or socialist ones.

[–]redditbegay 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

your solution is worse

The VA has accountability right now? lmao nibba.

Doctors aren't in it for the pats on the back.

SO VA doctors are volunteers? Cool story bro.

[–]bagano1 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

People won't like you for saying this in the US, but health care and real estate really shouldn't be for profit like it is. In places like Toronto, NYC and San Francisco, it's becoming impossible to survive there.

Think about it, I can win the lottery or use daddy's money to buy up a ton of real estate and just gouge people because they have no other options. That's messed up.

[–]FreedomUltd 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

If we're gonna get the government involved, why not do it right and go full NHS?

[–]Canbot 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

That is like saying "if were going to get fire involved why don't we use a flamethrower to light the candles?".

The government should regulate, and never control. That is a proven strategy. Government running things is a proven disaster.

[–]FreedomUltd 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Government running things is a proven disaster.

The US government. Many other governments are successfully running good health care systems.

The US government doesn't serve the people. They still bother to pretend, barely, to serve our interests. Everything that doesn't serve the interests of the elite they do horribly... on purpose. They do deserve the elite very effectively however.

As long as they don't need to serve the interests of the people, they aren't going to regulate any industry effectively. Including the medical industry of course.

If we ever get them to implement a national health system, we will have put sufficient fear into our government. From there we just need to keep it up.

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Why don't you try engaging in the truth rather than just your feelz.

[–]Canbot 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is not a single emotional argument within a hundred miles.

The truth is exactly what I said it is.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We need a system similar to France, not the UK. The NHS is garbage because it's ran by the government, and the American healthcare system is garbage because it's managed by the free market. Instead it should be managed by the People, through mutually-owned cooperatives. We need populist solutions, not capitalist or socialist ones.